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<p>Even more impressive is that University of Pittsburgh is #5 in NIH funding.</p>
<p>"UCLA: ranked 5 (25/30 points in 14/16 specialties)</p>
<p>Michigan: ranked 14 (10/30 points in 6/16 specialties.)</p>
<p>doesn’t seem like a “slight” edge to me lol."</p>
<p>I said that UCLA does have an edge, but when you consider that there are literally over 5700 hospitals in the USA, I’d say the difference between 5 and 14 is not that great. lol</p>
<p>UCLA does not beat Michigan in terms of overall research. </p>
<p>Michigan leads all publics in research spending:</p>
<p>[University</a> of Michigan News Service | New federal rankings: U-M again tops in research spending at public universities](<a href=“http://ns.umich.edu/new/releases/20311-new-federal-rankings-u-m-again-tops-in-research-spending-at-public-universities]University”>New federal rankings: U-M again tops in research spending at public universities | University of Michigan News)</p>
<p>Please stop dragging Berkeley’s name when you try to pit UCLA with another school. There’s a whole lot of difference between Berkeley and UCLA. Berkeley is stronger than UCLA – it competes with the likes of HYPSM for grad level and lower Ivies/top privates (outside of HYPSMC) for undergrad. UCLA is just a fall back school for those who can’t hack Berkeley. Even Michigan and UVa is stronger than UCLA for undergrad level. So, get real people.</p>
<p>Berkeley is stronger than UCLA – it competes with the likes of… lower Ivies/top privates (outside of HYPSMC) for undergrad."</p>
<p>Do you have a basis for stating this?</p>
<p>Blah2009, I’m sorry; but I’d take that back. </p>
<p>For undergrad, Berkeley is stronger than those schools academically. Almost all academic department of Berkeley is within the top 8 in the whole nation. For example, Berkeley’s engineering is said to be superior to any Ivy. Berkeley’s CS is only bettered by MIT and Stanford. Berkeley’s Maths, biology, English, even Philosophy and psychology are better than most schools. No lower Ivy can beat Berkeley’s all round top academic departments. Are you satisfied now?</p>
<p>RML you’re a funny ■■■■■. The highest post count ■■■■■ I’ve seen around here. In fact, the exact reason why I chose UCLA over Berkeley (I was admitted to both) was because Berkeley is incomparable to UCLA. You found me out.</p>
<p>Edit: Clarified that I was accepted to both.</p>
<p>gold3n, nice story, except that, it is unbelievable… </p>
<p>Notice that I wasn’t arguing that UCLA is a good school. It is. It is perhaps top 4 or top 5 school amongst the public schools in the nation. But to say it is as good as Berkeley is a trash story. UCLA is for Berkeley rejects. Call me a ■■■■■. I don’t care. But I know for sure that what I said was a fact.</p>
<p>Uh huh…</p>
<p>I got accepted to Cal for CS. Almost went. I visited and ended up loving it actually. Ended up at UCLA instead. What a horrible mistake I made. </p>
<p>There’s a certain level of illogical content or bias I would tolerate and respond in hopes of getting a decent discussion going on a particular subject. Unfortunately, you seem to show way too much crazy on this thread to even deserve a legitimate response from anyone that is not on your level of instability. </p>
<p>Btw, I bumped your old thread in the UCLA forum on this similar topic. Unless you take your current insanity there too, I think people have decently legitimate responses in that thread and there is potential for a normal discussion.</p>
<p>You got into Cal CS but turned it down for UCLA (CS too, I supposed)??? Yes; it was a horrible mistake. And, to me, I think your sanity is just as unstable as mine, lol…</p>
<p>Berkeley CS will smash UCLA CS into the ground. Comparing the two is like comparing a Lamborghini to a Hyundai.</p>
<p>you sound like the typical rank obsessed asian parent/student RML. do you have any stats to say UCLA is a berkeley reject school?</p>
<p>Here’s one contradiction:</p>
<p>[Guest</a> Column: - La Canada Valley Sun](<a href=“http://articles.lacanadaonline.com/2009-12-17/news/lco-tracycol1217_1_colleges-last-year-usc-graduates]Guest”>http://articles.lacanadaonline.com/2009-12-17/news/lco-tracycol1217_1_colleges-last-year-usc-graduates)</p>
<p>Maybe you can find me an article or something concrete that Berkeley “destroys” UCLA in enrolling admits. Or, find me the mythical source that shows Berkeley can compete with the top privates for students. Berkeley’s undergraduate engineering programs are great. But why don’t say Columbia, Penn, Cornell undergraduate engineering students choose to go to Berkeley, instead of going to an “inferior” engineering school? Their high school qualifications would place them amongst the top students at Berkeley, so I doubt admission is a concern. Ofcourse, you’ll probably argue otherwise with no basis.</p>
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<p>I have a multitude of rankings that support my conclusion. You have perhaps one (i assume you’re using NRC?) These rankings generally give a slight edge to berkeley, usually in the vicinity of 3-5 places (e.g. USNWR: +4; THE: +3; Gallup +3)</p>
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<p>There’s more to an education than just departmental rankings. Small student to faculty ratios also play an important role, in addition to environment, etc.</p>
<p>Additionally, it’s not as if UCLA’s CS department is bad. Our CS department was more involved with the creation of the internet than any other university, and our alumni did found Blizzard. + UCLA, USC, and Caltech are all probably going to get a strong boost in CS due to the supposed ‘sillicon beach’ that’s being founded in socal (which seems to be led by google.)</p>
<p>As far as your comment on philosophy goes, Berkeley isn’t particularly distinguished. The main departments in philosophy have been Princeton, UCLA, Harvard, Oxford, probably Rutgers, probably Michigan, and lately NYU. Although i suppose technically it’s still better than most schools (ranked 14 i believe.)</p>
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<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Teaching | Rankings | Top National Universities | US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/undergraduate-teaching)</p>
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ARWU: +8
Undergrad Engineering Rank: +13
High School Counselor Rank: +14
Undergrad Business Rank: Infinite…but probably +10-15</p>
<p>Shall I put up grad rankings and faculty achievement gaps?</p>
<p>The top philosophy programs according to NRC (Reputational Ranking) are:</p>
<p>Tier 1: Rutgers, Princeton, and Michigan
Tier 2: NYU, Cornell, Berkeley, MIT, UChicago, Pittsburgh, BU, Duke, Brown, Notre Dame, and Harvard</p>
<p>Honorable Mention: Columbia, Stanford, and UNC-Chapel Hill</p>
<p>I’m sure all of these places are great places to get an undergraduate Philosophy education.</p>
<p>I love reading threads where Berkeley and UCLA supporters duke it out. Uhhh, did I just enter Duke into this conversation? ;-)</p>
<p>golden, I didn’t know NRC rankings included “Tiers”… :rolleyes:</p>
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Actually, I did that ranking off the top of my head but after looking at the actual NRC rating, I’m going to have to revise my choices.</p>
<p>The only schools with both the S and R Ranks with an upper range of 10 or less are Princeton, Rutgers, and Michigan.</p>
<p>The next set of schools whose S and R Ranks both have an upper range of 20 or less are Berkeley, NYU, Chicago, MIT, and Duke.</p>
<p>Honorable Mention: Pitt, Harvard, Brown, Columbia, Stanford, Notre Dame, Cornell, and BU</p>
<p>UCLA students have such an inferiority complex. But they are always in the shadow of Berkeley that has to be hard. Also now that USC is Southern California’s leading university (minus Caltech) that is even harder for them to swallow. So Bears, let them throw their tantrum and tarnish the rep of UCLA.</p>
<p>I wish in my heart that CC would just block this insidious and narcissistic and sophomoric thread…it comes along every year with the same food fights and childish behavior.</p>
<p>Followed by the threads post USNWR releases. </p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
<p>Come on people. Get over yourselves. Your self worth is NOT tied up in the school rankings. Believe you me.</p>
<p>Leave school competition for the football field and basketball court (or your favorite NCAA sport.)</p>