<p>i have been reading a lot of threads all over the UVa forum. there are clearly plenty of people giving their stats so that others who know can tell them what their chances are. i was wondering if anyone (someone who is going to UVa or just got in) could give their stats. if anyone could please provide the most well rounded stat situation that others could compare with. i know that i have my own story to tell, but if i did i feel that someone would tell me that i would be "iffy at best". so, please provide stats that would equate to a good chance at getting in. thank you.</p>
<p>yeah this is a good idea...stats of people who got in!</p>
<p>try searching the forum....PLEASE! There's a 2010 and a 2011 "accepted" thread with everyone's stats. There's also a transfer one. So, take the extra minute and search the forum, it's too hard to list and re-list them everytime a new kid joins CC.</p>
<p>Also, there are no "well rounded stat situations". People with 3.0s have been accepted, people with 4.0s have been rejected. Everyone's application, circumstances, and the overall applicant pools each year are so different, that it's impossible to give an idea of what stats you should have. Instead, try your best, take hard classes, apply, and see what happens.</p>
<p>If anyone finds good stats I would appreciate your posting them here. Since the subject of this thread is clearly marked those who aren't interested needn't click on it.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.virginia.edu/stats&facts/%5B/url%5D">http://www.virginia.edu/stats&facts/</a></p>
<p>Or it's a ton easier to find the 50+ responses in the other threads if you search for them. Way better than the 3-5 responses you'd get in this thread, besides the general "go search for your question" responses.</p>
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<p>Why bother looking at a likely unrepresentative sampling of individual posters stats, when the data set for the entire freshmen class from last year is available on the UVA website? Am I missing something?</p>
<p>Because I don't see GPAs, school type, stats divided for IS/OOS, ECs, or any of the million other things that go into admissions. Yes, it may be a slightly unrepresented sampling. But it will give you an idea of the type of kids being accepted/rejected.</p>
<p>Trust me, I've been on here awhile. UVA is pretty vague about releasing admitted students results. And they release no rejected student stats.</p>
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Because I don't see GPAs, school type, stats divided for IS/OOS, ECs, or any of the million other things that go into admissions.
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<p>The GPA information is displayed below. I havent searched for the other items, but Ill take your word for it that that type of information isnt readily available. </p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm</a> </p>
<p>C10. Percent of all degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who had high school class rank within each of the following ranges (report information for those students from whom you collected high school rank information).</p>
<p>Percent in top 10th of high school graduating class 88 %</p>
<p>Percent in top quarter of high school graduating class 97 %</p>
<p>Percent in top half of high school graduating class 100 %</p>
<p>Percent in bottom half of high school graduating class 0 %</p>
<p>Percent in bottom quarter of high school graduating class 0 %</p>
<p>Percent of total first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted high school class rank: 48%</p>
<p>C11. Percentage of all enrolled, degree-seeking first-time, first-year (freshman) students who had high school grade-point averages within each of the following ranges (using 4.0 scale); report information only for those students from whom you collected high school GPA.</p>
<p>Percent who had GPA of 3.75 and higher 86 %
Percent who had GPA between 3.50 and 3.74 9 %
Percent who had GPA between 3.25 and 3.49 3 %
Percent who had GPA between 3.00 and 3.24 2 %
Percent who had GPA between 2.50 and 2.99 1 %
Percent who had GPA between 2.00 and 2.49
Percent who had GPA between 1.00 and 1.99
Percent who had GPA below 1.00 </p>
<p>C12. Average high school GPA of all degree-seeking first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted GPA: 4.07</p>
<p>Percent of total first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted high school GPA: 84 %</p>
<p>That information isn't that helpful since it doesn't distinguish between IS and OOS.</p>
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<p>Youre right, it doesnt explicitly distinguish between the two. However, it doesnt take much to look at that data and realize that an OOS student who wants to gain admission to a stellar public university like UVA had generally better have a GPA that falls in the 3.75 range and above. An IS applicant will likely have more leeway with having a GPA that falls below that threshold.</p>
<p>There isn't much great data out there on the admissions process. Colleges tend to shy away from transparency, for whatever reason. However, from watching the process for a number years, I (and several other posters) can usually give good general assessments of chances.</p>
<p>kyler, please note that GPA is very important, but it's also very, very important to know how good the GPA is. This is frequently represented by the class rank. GPA is a <em>relative</em> measure, unlike SAT or ACT scores which are standardized and have corresponding national percentile ranks.</p>
<p>Cavalier, I am actually quite familiar with the college admissions process and am fully aware that GPA is a <em>relative</em> measure. I was focusing solely on GPA in my two prior posts in order to 1.) provide shoebox10 with GPA data that she noted was not available, and then, 2.) to refute sv3as claim that the GPA information from UVAs common data set is not that helpful since it doesn't distinguish between IS and OOS. </p>
<p>Also, and please imagine me saying this in the politest way possible, but anyone with a little common sense, general familiarity with a school, and most importantly a data set like the one in the link I posted can usually give good general assessments of chances. Although Im sure you know as well as I the importance of emphasizing the caveats usually and good for anyone other than adcoms at the particular school in question.</p>
<p>Well, GPA information is rarely good, because you never know who the poster is and where they come from. The only relevant information in terms of grades is class rank, and it has already been expressed numerous times on these boards that you need a top 5% class rank to be remotely competitive OOS for UVA and top 10-15% for IS. Essentially, GPA is a useless measure by itself, without reference to the class rank or the estimate of class rank (since not all schools provide a specific ranking). The best way to figure out your chances would be to just review chances or acceptances threads on this board. The Common Data Set is essentially no better than assessing your chances by looking up UVA's rank in the latest USNWR report and comparing it to other school's chances.</p>
<p>Pretty much everyone here has seen the CDS for one year or another, but it's important to understand that reading posts by someone like cav's on this board would give more information about one's chances than reading the CDS, unfortunately. It is tempting to think that sources like the CDS are great and all, because you think they are hard facts that show what it takes to get in. After all, that would be the rational way to go about it. However, this is one of the few instances that looking at a large amount of data isn't as effective, mainly because of the very limited transparency of the admissions process (for obvious reasons).</p>
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<p>We are in agreement that much of the GPA (and for that matter SAT, ACT, class rank, etc.) information provided by random posters on these boards is rarely good. Thats why I suggested to the OP and others who want the most well rounded stat situation and stats that would equate to a good chance at getting in to look at UVAs website and common data set.</p>
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The only relevant information in terms of grades is class rank
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<p>Actually, according to UVAs CDS, class rank and academic GPA are both considered Very Important in UVAs first-time, first- year, degree-seeking (freshman) admission decisions. See question C7 at: <a href="http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.web.virginia.edu/iaas/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/admissions.htm</a> </p>
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it has already been expressed numerous times on these boards that you need a top 5% class rank to be remotely competitive OOS for UVA and top 10-15% for IS.
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<p>Great, that would reflect the data from question C10 in UVAs common data set.</p>
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Essentially, GPA is a useless measure by itself, without reference to the class rank or the estimate of class rank (since not all schools provide a specific ranking).
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<p>Believe me, I know. </p>
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The best way to figure out your chances would be to just review chances or acceptances threads on this board.
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<p>Thanks for the laugh. To each his own I guess. </p>
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Pretty much everyone here has seen the CDS for one year or another, but it's important to understand that reading posts by someone like cav's on this board would give more information about one's chances than reading the CDS, unfortunately.
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<p>lol, Im sorry, but that is hilarious. No offense to Cavalier or anyone else on CC who chances people, but what they are doing is not magic, nor it is really all that scientific. They are just expressing an opinion that is based on the same data available to everyone else via common data sets. Again, if prospective applicants want to use Cavalier (or any other student on CC) as some sort of medium or conduit to the same information they could simply go out and find themselves, then I guess so be it. </p>
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It is tempting to think that sources like the CDS are great and all, because you think they are hard facts that show what it takes to get in. After all, that would be the rational way to go about it. However, this is one of the few instances that looking at a large amount of data isn't as effective, mainly because of the very limited transparency of the admissions process (for obvious reasons).
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<p>OK, first of all, I would love to see the look on a UVA admission officers face if you told him/her that the CDS is not made up of hard facts that show what it takes to get in. That would be classic. Second, and this seems to be a theme throughout this thread, but if one prefers to look at a handful of highly skewed and sometimes inaccurate data that fills these CC threads, then that is there prerogative. A more reliable method, however, would be to consult the large amount of data courtesy of the CDS, and then draw ones own intelligent and reasonable conclusions about chances of admittance.</p>
<p>Yes, they are hard facts, but they don't tell you what it takes to get in. That was the point of that. I'm assuming you're a high schooler or a first year, because when I was still in HS I also thought that using things like the CDS would be pretty much the way to go, especially over the 'opinions' of people who post on this board. However, after spending a couple of years on this general topic of admissions, you come to realize that the admissions officers are quite smart, and you really learn very little by reading from raw data since they've masked admissions well. The low transparency regarding the numbers it takes to get in is fairly essential, in their view, mainly due to the problems it would create if everyone derived a definitive preconceived notion about the GPA, Rank, SAT, etc that they need to get into UVA or other schools. The adcoms <em>don't want you to know the "hard facts that show what it takes to get in"</em>, so why would they even think about the CDS as a admissions tool for applicants? That's how they fool you into thinking your GPA is 'very important', because we both know that makes no sense since they are publishing weighted GPAs (which obviously vary from ridiculously high weight to no weight at all depending where you are form) in the CDS which have no bearing at all on anything but your class rank.</p>
<p>I fully understand you wanting to take the more sensible view, and why you think it is funny (it is pretty ridiculous), but, like I said, you can only gain a very limited amount of information from that. Any sort of rationalization you perform on that data set is essentially wasted time. If you continue to stick around and view chances/acceptances threads for a couple years, you'll see what I mean. Experience is the best thing to possess regarding this topic, and that's why I said it was better to review old chances threads, as long as you are able to sort out the good info (experienced) from the bad. This goes for many other schools, not just UVA.</p>
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<p>I guess this is in the eye of the beholder.</p>
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<p>That would be quite a faulty assumption on your part.</p>
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However, after spending a couple of years on this general topic of admissions, you come to realize that the admissions officers are quite smart, and you really learn very little by reading from raw data since they've masked admissions well. The low transparency regarding the numbers it takes to get in is fairly essential, in their view, mainly due to the problems it would create if everyone derived a definitive preconceived notion about the GPA, Rank, SAT, etc that they need to get into UVA or other schools. That's how they fool you into thinking your GPA is 'very important', because we both know that makes no sense since they are publishing weighted GPAs (which obviously vary from ridiculously high weight to no weight at all depending where you are form) in the CDS which have no bearing at all other than towards your class rank.
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<p>No debating that adcoms are quite smart. But, as to the value of the factual data in the CDS and the conclusions that might be drawn from that, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. </p>
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<p>Speak for yourself. </p>
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If you continue to stick around and view chances/acceptances threads for a couple years, you'll see what I mean. Experience is the best thing to possess regarding this topic, and that's why I said it was better to review old chances threads, as long as you are able to sort out the good info (experienced) from the bad.
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A couple of years are really not required. I have not seen many old chance threads that vary too greatly from what the CDS would have reasonably predicted. Have you? There may be an outlier here of there, but that would be expected given that college admit decisions can sometimes be unpredictable.</p>
<p>oh new kids. </p>
<p>good luck trying to get help on here later.</p>
<p>^shoebox, Im not really sure what you're meaning to imply. Have I done something to upset you?</p>