<p>hi. my friend came from Pakistan last year. she's 19. she had completed her second year in college. however, since high school ends after 10th grade, 2nd year college there would be 12th grade here. </p>
<p>she applied to CUNY here twice and was rejected both times. now, she doesnt want to risk being denied admission again. so she wants to go to 12th grade in high school, since she is not 21 yet. </p>
<p>question: if she gets into 12th grade and graduates, will there be a problem for her getting into college? she only applied to CUNY, so if she applies somewhere else will they find out that she alraedy applied? does CUNY have a record that she applied as a transfer student before?</p>
<p>second: her grades from 9th and 10th grade are 689/1100 which is 65%. the American equivalent of that grade is an A. if she gets into high school, will they convert her grade or keep it at 65?</p>
<p>the subjects she took in 9th and 10th grade are (in Pakistan, high school is only 9th and 10th grade):</p>
<p>Math- 2 years
English- 2 years
Physics- 2yrs
Bio- 2 yrs
Chem- 2 yrs
Pak Studies- 1yr
Islamic Studies- 1 yr
Urdu (language)- 2 yrs</p>
<p>will all of her courses transfer into credits here? </p>
<p>pleaseeeee help! this is very urgent. thank you so much.</p>
<p>If she has a High School Diploma, why would she go to high school in the US. I dont see how a high school would accept her with a diploma - since she will have to show an official transcript, it will say “graduated” or somesort like that. She is not being rejected by CUNY because they cant figure out that 10th grade is the end of Pakistani HS . She should definitely go to wherever she applied and ask them detailed questions regarding rejections and what can she do to be accepted. It may be a miscommunication or something else.</p>
<p>mhmm: no, her transcipt does not say “graduated” </p>
<p>its simply a transcript of her classes and grades, thats it. you see, she’s called CUNY so many times and honestly, everytime someone gives her a different answer. when she applied, someone said she was accepted. then we got an email of rejection. idk, they seem very unproffesional to me.</p>
<p>she wants to go to a HS here because instead of wasting 6 months and waiting to apply to CUNY again, she’d rather just spend a year in 12th grade and go through the college admissions process with her guidance counseler.</p>
<p>i just wanted to know: if she gets into HS and then applies to a college other than CUNY, will there be a problem (since she applied to college before attending HS here) ?</p>
<p>im sorry if im not explaining the situation too well.</p>
<p>She took 9 and 10 at school and 11 and 12 at college . SHE has graduated from Highschool already. There would be any other reason for her getting rejected. you shuld ask them why was she rejected.</p>
<p>Maybe she could attend a community college for a year and then transfer to CUNY? This way she could earn college credits already and take more appropriate classes than at a high school. </p>
<p>Other than that, I second the previous recommendations to talk to someone at CUNY and find out what’s going on. Just out of curiosity, did she apply as a freshman or transfer student? I suspect that there might be some misinterpretations or miscommunications because of the “2nd year college in Pakistan = 12th grade in the US” issue. It might help to get her Pakistani coursework evaluated officially (e.g. through WES) and see if they consider her past schoolwork to be at the high school or college level.</p>
<p>She also should read through everything (and I do indeed mean everything) at [EducationUSA</a> | Study Abroad, Student Visa, University Fairs, College Applications and Study in the U.S. / America](<a href=“http://www.educationusa.state.gov/]EducationUSA”>http://www.educationusa.state.gov/) Yes, the website is designed for international students who are currently in their home countries, but she will find a lot of information there that is useful to her. She also should contact the counseling center closest to where she used to live in Pakistan <a href=“http://www.educationusa.info/Pakistan[/url]”>http://www.educationusa.info/Pakistan</a> to get specific advice on good ways to find appropriate places to study in the US. The advisors there will know exactly how she should present the information that she has from her previous education in her home country.</p>
<p>we will deffinitely call and ask the reason behind the rejection. </p>
<p>@barium: i wish she could attend a community college, but hasnt there deadline ended already? do you know of any colleges whsoe deadline has not passed yet? it doesnt have to be a really good college, average is fine too. she applied as a transfer student. you see, when we went to see a counselor at Queens College, she told us it is fraud if she applies as a freshman…idk.</p>
<p>@happymomof1: thank you for the links, i will deffinitely check them out.</p>
<p>is there any college whose admission deadline hasnt passed yet? she is deperate…she really just doesnt want her time to get wasted.</p>
<p>I also suggest you call a few community colleges and see if they are still accepting students. According to Collegeboard, the CUNY community colleges will consider applications from international students until July. The CUNY website itself does not indicate separate deadlines for international and domestic applicants, but they do say that CUNY colleges will consider applications after the deadline on a space-available basis. It can’t hurt to call a few colleges and ask if they are still accepting students!</p>
<p>barium: um…she already applied at QCC and was rejected. do you think she can apply again right now? but thank you so much for telling me about this…</p>
<p>can you please point out a few colleges that accept low averages and are in one of the 5 boroughs? i will appreciate it very much.</p>
<p>i have a question about WES: do they require that the Board send them the documents, or can we send them the documents? also, if we want the transcript converted to US terms for our own purposes (not to send to colleges), will they do it if we send it to them instead of the board?</p>
<p>If she was rejected by community colleges, it’s time to follow up on the decisions and see why they were made. Maybe her application was incomplete. (translations? TOEFL scores? financial documents? immigration papers?) Maybe your friend might be in a better position if she got a GED. Maybe going to high school might help.</p>
<p>but now, after hearing the advice everyone is offering, i want her to apply to SUNY Maritime…low average requirement, low fees, close to home, etc.</p>
<p>if her average was C in Pakistan (where passing is 33% because tests are super-hard), what do you think her average here would be? i saw somewhere that a 60+ average in Pakistan is a 90+ average here…is that true?</p>
<p>SUNY Maritime actually appears to be quite a bit more selective than QCC, judging from their reported SAT score ranges (Maritime: 970-1150, QCC: 680-910). Honestly, I would make a couple of phone calls to places your friend got rejected from before I would make more plans. If there is a problem with your friend’s application, applying to more places isn’t going to do any good until you figure out where the problem is.</p>
<p>OK so i called today and i asked them the specific reason for her rejection. they told me that they didnt have a specific reason, but there was a problem with her “academic credentials.” they said that they look at GPA, credits, types of classes, etc. </p>
<p>can you tell me what exactly they meant by “academic credentials”?</p>
<p>You need to ask them what they mean by academic credentials. It could mean anything from “we don’t know what to do with a Pakistani transcript” to “her grades or TOEFL scores are too low” to “we don’t believe that she has a high school diploma equivalent background.”</p>
<p>If her grades are reported on a percentage scale, make sure the admission folks know that Pakistani percentage grades mean something different from American percentage grades. Otherwise it might look like she earned Ds and Fs in all of her classes, which could understandably result in a rejection! An official evaluation might help here.</p>
<p>It seems like you have three options at this point:</p>
<ul>
<li><p>Be more persistent about getting information. A face-to-face meeting with an admission counselor might help. See if you can get them to suggest an academic path for her that would qualify her to attend. I would not suggest this if she got rejected from Harvard, but being rejected by community colleges seems troubling enough to get more information.</p></li>
<li><p>Apply to more colleges and hope for the best. However, given that she has already been through two admission cycles unsuccessfully, it seems unlikely that a third round would yield different results.</p></li>
<li><p>Go back to high school. This might indeed be her best option if she cannot get to the ground of her current difficulties. However, since this would entail “wasting” a year, I would personally try the getting-more-information route before committing to this path.</p></li>
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<p>see, i did ask them for what they meant by academic credentials…they said “we look at grades, credits, types of courses, etc. the problem could have come from any one of those…” calling them was not helpful at all, because they stated exactly what the email we got said.</p>
<p>she didn’t take the TOEFL (they said she wouldn’t need it). does the problem lie there? </p>
<p>but don’t the admissions people already know that each country has a different grading policy? a C in Pakistan should be equivalent to an A or B+ here. </p>
<p>we want to get her transcript evaluated by WES but they want the Controller of Examinations (the board) to send them the transcript…in Pakistan, this is very hard. we can even manage to get them to send it but it will take them a long time to do so (people in Pakistan are not very time efficient). </p>
<p>do you know of any other companies that evaluate transcripts but don’t require the Controller of Examinations to send it?</p>
<p>we will not apply to more colleges as of now. </p>
<p>as for a counselor, i don’t really know where to find an admissions counselor that understands the education system in Pakistan…we met one from Queens College and she didn’t know a thing about Pakistani education. </p>
<p>and the people working at CUNY are so unprofessional and they don’t know anything!</p>
<p>Will one of the CUNYs admit her if she passes the GED? That might be quicker than going back to high school.</p>
<p>There are several transcript evaluation services, however you need to use one that is acceptable to the college/university where the student is applying. The international admissions officers at each place should be able to give you a list. It might even be on the college/university website.</p>