<p>"For College-Bound Blacks, the Wait List Is Not the Place to Be"
<a href="http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/45_wait_list.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/45_wait_list.html</a></p>
<p>This article studys highly selective Colleges use of wait lists from the perspective of black students.</p>
<p>A chart shows overall wait list acceptance rates, and black students - wait list acceptance rates, for the same colleges.</p>
<p>richs73cas...</p>
<p>Any word on Middlebury? Will they be accepting off the waitlist?</p>
<p>Thanks so much for all of your great help!</p>
<p>richs73cas</p>
<p>Any insight on the Northeastern waitlist? I've seen your earlier post regading Northeastern's stats. Seems like in previous years they have taken a fair amount from the waitlist, but last year's archive seems to indicate that they started to inform candidates within the first week of May. There hasn't been an indication at all that anyone has been contacted regarding their waitlist status. Could it be that they really don't know what they want to do yet?</p>
<p>Thanks so much</p>
<p>My D was called Saturday and when we spoke the AdCon seemed to indicate they are just beginning to make calls for their wait list.</p>
<p>jerzeemom - haven't found info for this year yet, but while I was searching I ran across this report that gives insight on how they used last years Wait List. </p>
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This is the first year that our wait list had exactly the same profile as our admitted class, while in previous years we had to make compromises. Our mean SAT for this year was 1211 against a goal of 1210. Retention is driven by the relationship of admissions selection criteria, financial aid level and stability,housing, and first-year QPA. Retention this year was positive, and we seem to be doing quite well from the perspective of selecting the right students. We accepted 10,200 for fall 2003 and the 31% yield produced the over-enrollment. This year, we started with a 9200 accept target, but we also reduced financial aid awarded.The resulting 27% yield led us to accept students from the waiting list to fill the class, which turned out to be a good strategy because wait-listed students tend to self-screen. What changed the number of students who accept us? The financial aid discount, scholarships awarded from the operating budget, was driven by the number of freshmen with SAT's in the 1300's and 1400's. In 2003, the number of such students jumped our discount rate at the front end, so in 2004 we had to rebalance that. We could not afford to continue to give that amount to such a large number of students. Fortunately, we had the applicant pool and the wait list to support this.
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The quote comes from page 2 - "Performance against Goals"
This helps explain why they accepted so many from the wait list last year 511, While in the prior two years they took no one off the wait list.</p>
<p>Link to Prior year Wait List Stats <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=606397&highlight=Northeastern#post606397%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=606397&highlight=Northeastern#post606397</a></p>
<p>anything on Middlebury?</p>
<p>lurkin'girl - </p>
<p>So far I haven't seen anything.</p>
<p>The Student Newspaper doesn't even seem to have any articles on the Class of 2009.
Link to The Middlebury Campus (the student weekly of Middlebury College)
<a href="http://www.middleburycampus.com/main.cfm%5B/url%5D">http://www.middleburycampus.com/main.cfm</a></p>
<p>Thanks, rich73.</p>
<p>I vote that you should change your cc screen name to WaitlistGuru :)</p>
<p>This Article has quotes from the admissions directors of the following Colleges (amoung others)
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-05-03-waitlist_x.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-05-03-waitlist_x.htm</a></p>
<p>Franklin & Marshall College
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Franklin & Marshall offered a place on the list to 914 students and admitted 76, says Dennis Trotter, dean of admissions. This year it listed 1,067 and expects to take only about 30.
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<p>University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
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Three years ago, the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill offered spots on its list to 3,300 students. This year it reduced that number by almost half. "We decided not to leave a load of kids out there twisting and waiting," says admissions director Stephen Farmer.
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<p>Georgetown University
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Charles Deacon, dean of undergraduate admissions at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C., says, "We want the right number of scientists, the right number of business students, and the waiting list allows us to fine tune the numbers."
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<p>Harvard College - Harvard's yield remains highest of nation's selective colleges
<a href="http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/05.12/01-yield.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2005/05.12/01-yield.html</a>
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Nearly 80 percent of the students admitted to the Class of 2009 will enter Harvard in September. The current yield is 78.5 percent, slightly above last year's 77.6 percent. The yield is likely to rise by the time the Admissions Committee makes its final selections in June. The high yield means that only a small number of students can be admitted from the waiting list this year.
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<p>Originally Posted By King here: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=64897%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=64897</a></p>
<p>This article from the LA Times reports:
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Selective private colleges acknowledge that they sometimes take affluent teens over those from poor or middle-class families needing financial aid when deciding which students to admit from their waiting lists.
<p>any news on bowdoin or williams? thanks.</p>
<p>Is using the ability to pay tuition as one of the criteria for chosing students off a wait list such a terrible thing?</p>
<p>You may look at it as pushing an unfair advantage. I see it as social responsibility. If a family is fortunate enough to be able to afford tuition or was lucky enough to have been able to save for tuition and can now pay for their child's undergraduate schooling, that allows the school to offer aid to someone else whose parents cannot.</p>
<p>truegibberish-
Bowdoin College seems really tight lipped about their wait list proceedures
They don't include any wait list info on their Common Data Set postings Link:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=635079&highlight=bowdoin#post635079%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=635079&highlight=bowdoin#post635079</a></p>
<p>and the Student Newspaper doesn't have and wait list info.
Link to story on class of 2009:
<a href="http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2005-04-01§ion=1&id=4%5B/url%5D">http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2005-04-01§ion=1&id=4</a></p>
<p>Williams College releases how many students they take off the wait list each year, but only released how many they put on the wait list (956) in 1998
Link to Williams Stats: <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=607300&highlight=Williams#post607300%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=607300&highlight=Williams#post607300</a></p>
<p>I haven't been able to locate any stories or news releases on William's wait list for this year.</p>
<p>Harvey Mudd College Posts its Common Data Set:
<a href="http://www.hmc.edu/information.html#general%5B/url%5D">http://www.hmc.edu/information.html#general</a></p>
<p>Fall 2003
Qualified applicants placed on waiting list: 260
Applicants accepting a place on waiting list: 111
Students enrolled from waiting list: 0
Total freshman enrollment: 191
0% of Class from wait list</p>
<p>The Bowdoin WL letter specifically said that it was not ranked, and that all accepting a place on the list would be considered. (If you're waiting for Bowdoin my son did not accept a place on the list so maybe that's one free...)</p>
<p>Best wishes to all - hope that the coming week brings good news!</p>
<p>Lehigh University posts its Common Data Set <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/%7Eoir/cds.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/cds.htm</a></p>
<p>Fall 2004
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 1270
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 467
Number of wait-listed students admitted 123
Total Class Size 1,073
11.5 % of Class came from the wait list.
Link to Class summary for this Class <a href="http://www3.lehigh.edu/sharedmedia/PDF_Files/LUadmissions_class2008_summary.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www3.lehigh.edu/sharedmedia/PDF_Files/LUadmissions_class2008_summary.pdf</a></p>
<p>Fall 2003
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 2264
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 1228
Number of wait-listed students admitted 51
Total Class Size 1,125
4.5 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2002
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 2132
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 1319
Number of wait-listed students admitted 20
Total Class Size 1,144
1.7 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2001
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 2143
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 1460
Number of wait-listed students admitted 72
Total Class Size 1,112
6.5 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2000
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 3569
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 1394
Number of wait-listed students admitted 45
Total Class Size 1,129
3.9 % of Class came from the wait list.
Interesting Analysis of Lehigh compared to Peer Institutions <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/%7Eoir/reports/peer2002/peer_report_2002.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/reports/peer2002/peer_report_2002.htm</a>
Peer Data <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/%7Eoir/reports/peer2002/peer_data02.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.lehigh.edu/~oir/reports/peer2002/peer_data02.htm</a></p>
<p>Hamilton Posts their Common Data Set <a href="http://www.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS04-05.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS04-05.htm</a></p>
<p>Fall 2004
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 529
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 202
Number of wait-listed students admitted 73
Total Class Size 457
16 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2003 from US News
Qualified applicants placed on waiting list: 514
Applicants accepting a place on waiting list: 254
Students enrolled from waiting list: 18
Total Class Size 465
3.9 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Good Luck</p>
<p>Mount Holyoke College Posts the Common Data Set: <a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/enrollment/instrch/cds.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/enrollment/instrch/cds.shtml</a></p>
<p>Fall 2004
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 264
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 158
Number of wait-listed students admitted 52
Total Class Size 572
9.1 % of Class came from the wait list.
Link to Facts & Class Profile <a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/cic/about/facts.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.mtholyoke.edu/cic/about/facts.shtml</a></p>
<p>Fall 2003
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 436
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 157
Number of wait-listed students admitted 33
Total Class Size 518
6.4 % of Class came from the wait list.
Link to a Class Profile <a href="http://www.mtholyoke.edu/adm/center/classprofile.shtml%5B/url%5D">http://www.mtholyoke.edu/adm/center/classprofile.shtml</a></p>
<p>Fall 2002
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 458
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 278
Number of wait-listed students admitted 26
Total Class Size 582
4.5 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2001
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 336
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 187
Number of wait-listed students admitted 49
Total Class Size 506
9.7 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 2000
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 288
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 174
Number of wait-listed students admitted 18
Total Class Size 538
3.3 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Fall 1999
Number of qualified applicants placed on waiting list 208
Number accepting a place on the waiting list 144
Number of wait-listed students admitted 26
Total Class Size 563
4.6 % of Class came from the wait list.</p>
<p>Michigan State University ---- You never know.</p>