<p>Viggy ,Iam so so sorry to hear all that. Keep a positive attitude no matter what happens in life. If you are determined to go to med school , You will.</p>
<p>@me2008: it is not the “worst city in the US” =/ and if it is to you then shouldn’t it be more of a reason to want to go to Wayne and do what you can to help out? The city has such a beautiful and rich history. If you live in MI you should go see the Detroit Shoppe at Somerset mall and then you’ll realize how much it will move you.</p>
<p>-I do not intend to take sides or even seem like it. I am also on the waitlist and I feel the same disappointment that Viggy does and I also feel that CanMed shouldn’t say that his honest posts hurt his status in anything (especially medstart). Again I do not mean to offend any one.
-Another point to add though is that 1337princess is right. Detroit may not be the richest city in the world or the most aesthetically pleasing, but it is still a culturally rich city, with a lot to offer as many of you have pointed out. I don’t mean to be escalating a war or any thing of the sort, but if Medstart didn’t work for you, then that just means that you should go to another undergraduate school. I agree that disappointment, sadness, and anger can hurt judgement. I remember an Indian fable, where the moral was that people who cannot or did not achieve something make themselves feel better by pointing out how “disgusting those grapes look” and pointing out how it would not have helped to get them.
@CanMed: I think Viggy is just upset, just as I am, that he is on the waitlist and is coping with his disappointment, and he has the right to do so.
@Viggy: You have great stats and seem to be very smart so if Medstart doesn’t take you, then you move on because in the end, the same path leads to all of us becoming a doctor.
I was depressed that I did not get into Medstart, I am 12th on the list which means I have virtually no Chance. But I am proud to admit my rank because out of the 300+ who applied, I was 27th and Viggy, I bet you are a lot higher than I am. Although there is a slim chance of hope, I think we shouldn’t dwell on the past. Let life throw what it may, but there’s no stopping us now. To the top 15, Congratulations and I am envious of you all, but that and my passion is all the motivation I need to try harder. Again, I do not mean to start a war. Hope all of you luck with your waitlist statuses and for those applying to IVYs, 3 days, can we wait?</p>
<p>@viggyram you said 3.6 and 32 can get you into multiple med schools. thats true. but remember waynes easier than umich when youre using the curve scale to make gpas. also if you didnt know what school you go to doesnt matter when youre applying for med school. that was evidenced by canmed when he told us of the acceptances from the 2011 class. so getting a 4.0 from wayne looks good wherever you apply. like you said competition is less at wayne. that makes getting a 4.0 easier.
next you said only 4 kids matriculated (its funny how you changed that from accepted) from wayne to umich. good luck getting into michigans med school when ur from umich competing w tons of other kids from the same undergrad at that school. i heard theyre terrible at taking their own kids.
next: you said you can’t say youre in medstart when applying to other med schools. who the hell would be stupid to say that? of course they wouldn’t accept you because they know you have backups. easy tip for those in medstart (im pretty sure they’re smart enough to know this: DONT SAY YOURE IN MEDSTART. not that hard.
so what if its time consuming? what does that have to do w anything?</p>
<p>yeah you can be disappointed. dont be a jerk about it after saying you were desperate to get in. and dont ever dont bash my city.</p>
<p>btw is there a facebook group for this year’s kids who were accepted? i wanna meet you all :)</p>
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<p>You’re missing the point here and I don’t feel like explaining it again. </p>
<p>How many more same institution students did you expect a no.6 ranking medical school to take?
Number of students in the class: 170
University of Michigan Students: 50</p>
<p>Medical schools have AOA statuses that they give out to top X% of the class, so why not get used to competition in undergrad itself? And I would say that the 3.6 from UM or MSU means more than the 3.6 from WSU. </p>
<p>Also, UM Med’s incoming class had 170 students and 50 were from UM undergrad. Those are matriculants, so we can obviously assume more were accepted. </p>
<p>Also, about med schools seeing you’re in medstart…</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter because everything is organized into one system in the AMCAS, where every school will know where you’re admitted/waitlisted/denied. You can’t hide that stuff from med schools; they know.</p>
<p>And to all those who got into medstart, congrats. But don’t start being a dick/arrogant about it. ViggyRam was being objective and from a person who knows a great deal about med schools, I can tell you he is right about everything he said.</p>
<p>Hey! So who all is going to wayne? When is the last day that people have to notify by?</p>
<p>Viggy - You are correct that UofM Med accepts 45-50 students from UofM each year. However, one cannot deduce that all those are from one graduating year. We all know that many med school aspirants do not get in the first year of applying. There are anecdotal numbers that there are almost 750-1250 pre-meds each year at UofM. I would guess that a number of them don’t get accepted and they may try again in a following year after building up additional credentials. It is great to see UofM accepting almost 30% of students from UofM itself but it will also be beneficial to know the breakdown based on graduation year also.</p>
<p>674 applied last year out of UM undergrad. Of those, just 204 had 3.4 or high GPA along with a 30 or higher MCAT. 50 of those matriculated to UM Med.</p>
<p>^^ Thanks. Interesting information. Appreciate any link to the source.</p>
<p>I just mailed in my commitment for medstart today :)</p>
<p>For me, the main draw for medstart is the mere fact that you’re basically IN a med school already - sure, you have to get a good MCAT score and keep up your GPA, but for me that’s not a big deal…there’s no stress or worrying that you won’t get into any med school, which is always a possibility, even if you think you’re an awesome candidate. Yes, if you go to UM for med school, you might have a higher chance of getting into UM’s med school, but it’s really the quality of your residency which determines how good of a doctor you become, and like someone pointed out earlier, kids from Wayne get matched to great places every year.</p>
<p>Plus, medstart isn’t binding, so if I end up doing great the next for years, I can always apply somewhere else “better”, while at the same time knowing there’s nothing riding on my application.</p>
<p>@Trinity7: [UM</a> :: The Career Center :: Students :: Pre-Medicine :: Medical School Application :: UM Application Statistics](<a href=“http://www.careercenter.umich.edu/students/med/medappstats2009.html]UM”>http://www.careercenter.umich.edu/students/med/medappstats2009.html)</p>
<p>(I used the data from the Cumulative GPA and not Science GPA as Cumulative tends to be higher for most premed students, but either way it’s the same story. Oh, and I used the M.D. stats. I ignored the D.O. stats on there.)</p>
<p>EDIT: It’s actually 296 students with GPA of 3.4 or higher along with MCAT of 30 or higher. 50 matriculates to UM med. My bad.</p>
<p>Thanks, Viggy. Good piece of information. Pl. note that list includes both U of M seniors as well as alumni. Too bad the source cited does not (or can not) have the breakdown by seniors and alumni separately, to get an idea how many (& what %) get into med schools in their first attempt.</p>
<p>^I couldn’t find that information either. I’m not sure if most schools include alumni in their data too. If so, then this is a pretty good comparison. If not, UM could have done better with revealing their data.</p>
<p>I would guess that most alumni/post-bac applicants had lower GPAs during their undergraduate years and then applied after a Masters/post-bac with a better GPA. If this logic is acceptable, then I guess you could use the GPA of 3.6 or higher along with an MCAT of 30 or higher to get better figures (People with 3.4s most likely don’t get into UM Med, so 3.6 and 30 might be the imaginary cut-off, even though those might be on the low side too). </p>
<p>FWIW, with at least 3.6 and 30, it’s 50 matriculants out of 203 applicants. (86% overall admit rate for 3.6 or over and at least 30).</p>
<p>However, even if UM doesn’t publish only first-attempt applicants, I think the school should be commended for actually publishing this kind of data. It’s very hard to find similar data published by other schools (GPA and MCAT table). The only other one that comes to mind is Cornell’s GPA + MCAT table.</p>
<p>viggyram do you know what the average mcat score was for the kids in this year’s graduating class? </p>
<p>I’m making a facebook group! 
PM me if you’re going. To make sure you are actually in the program, copy and paste Nancy’s email the day we received our acceptances. Send me your fb link and i’ll add you to the group.</p>
<p>4 people (including me) have been added to the group thus far.</p>
<p>accepted to medstart!</p>
<p>@medstart2015, no idea about that one.</p>
<p>HI Guys,
I got a email as three candidates has denied their MedStart admissions.
and Alternate list candidates have been moved forward.
Could you give me the url of face book for MedStart 2015 please?</p>