We are done licking our wounds...HELP!!!!

<p>Please don't take the Yale rejection as a death-knell for your son's competitive college chances. My daughter was accepted everywhere she applied last year with one exception: Princeton -- the only Ivy League school to which she applied. Fortunately, Princeton was not her first choice school (her first-choice school was the University of Chicago and she is very happy there). The other schools to which she applied were a mix of reaches, matches, and safeties. We were looking for merit aid and she received a lot of it, so the rest of her schools really wanted her -- Princeton rejection notwithstanding. Here are some of the schools that accepted her, and that you may want to consider: UChicago, Davidson, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (out of state), Emory, Washington University in St. Louis, Tulane, NYU, Loyola New Orleans, and Fordham. </p>

<p>Best of luck to you. The Ivies are random for everyone. I think I was more insulted than my daughter by the Princton rejection. She just laughed and said she preferred UChicago anyway. (As evidenced by the fact that she mailed her UChicago deposit a week before she received the Princeton rejection.)</p>

<p>sillystring,</p>

<p>I really, REALLY admire your daughter's attitude and am so happy that she found a place that she really loves (and that is a GREAT school!). I think that just having come off of the rejection, I was still sort of in that surreal, suspended animation that is the waiting period for EA. Now, things are returning to normal and Yale is starting to become the distant dream that never was...and it's O.K. Thanks for posting!</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>LACs in general welcome a wide range interests and they fully understand that kids change their minds once their exposed to new ideas. Williams offers equally strong programs in BOTH pre-medicine and pre-law. The science facilities are among the best in the country and they also have an interdisciplinary program in Legal Studies. The location is not for everyone, but I wouldn't discount it out of hand. It is a lively active intellectually stimulating environment (in a profoundly beautiful surroundings). The school has an amazing retention rate and for the most part these are happy, satisfied kids. Many, many double major in a combination of science and humanities. The articulate doctor and the scientific lawyer sound very much like Williams graduates. For example, one of my son's friends is planning to majoring in astro-physics and philosophy. At any rate, it's not a contest, take a look at several LACs. They do share the common thread of personalized education.</p>

<p>I would third the suggestion to look at Rice again. It's a beautiful campus, right across from the huge medical center (where students can get internships), and on the lightrail line, and right by a huge park, zoo, lots of museums, etc. It offers good merit and needbased financial, and has one of the lowest student debt amounts of the universities. It has 2800 undergrads and about 1500 grads (?), a wonderful collaborative atmosphere, wild and wacky parties, and an inclusive residential college system. (I know I sound like an advertisement) Lots of premed and sciency types there, plus music (great music school) and architect etc. My daughter is an academ (non engineering or sciency type) and she just loves it at Rice. Your son's stats certainly put him in the range of strong candidates if he decidest to apply.</p>

<p>Berurah-at about 40% of the posts your pushing this thread. And given your OP super superlatives, yeah I think you are a fraud! I'm just surprised that 78 posters took the bait!</p>

<p>Yeah, this is one bizarre thread.</p>

<p>If Berurah's son's story isn't authentic then it must be the first cyber version of Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy. I tend to think she's for real.</p>

<p>Agree, momrath. I like to think I have pretty good troll radar, and I haven't heard any bells and whistles on this. Doesn't a troll usually post one or two messages, then sit back and enjoy the uproar?</p>

<p>Berurah IS real. She first came to CC asking whether it was worth driving 3 hours to attend an admission session for Yale and received a variety of answers. She has sent me copies of her S's essays. Unless she wrote them herself, they seem to me the kind of essays that a 17 or 18 year old would write, and they could benefit from some revisions.</p>

<p>I too have no doubts that Berurah is real, and see nothing remotely bizarre in anything she's said, here or in many generous posts to applicants on other threads.</p>

<p>Originaloog and Ilcapo235: If you don't trust this thread, why waste your time on it? If you're so eager to hunt down impostors, isn't there someone on CC who claims to have taken 21 APs, patented two inventions, and much, much more? </p>

<p>Maybe 78 posters (I can't believe you counted) "took the bait" because they identify with Berurah and her son.</p>

<p>Berurah, I applied to the same schools as your son back in 1991 (except for Yale and Stanford which I felt were clearly out of my league). I got into all of them and picked Michigan. A decision I am thankful for until this day.</p>

<p>As for your son's chances at Michigan...I would say they are excellent. For your average applicant (top 10% ranking with 1400 on the SAT or 30 on the ACT), it is getting late. However, for an applicant with your son's qualifications (top 2% of his class with a 34 on his ACT), I would say he is almost as good as in. The only way it won't happen is if the quota has been reached for his demographic.</p>

<p>Best of luck and keep us posted.</p>

<p>I have corresponded with Berurah as well, and her story rings true to me too. </p>

<p>For those who wonder why good people often lurk rather than post, attacks like these may be the answer.</p>

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<p>Of course, as they assured Sandra Day O'Conner recently, UMich does not use quotas! </p>

<p>It's so cute when College presidents and Supreme Court justices do the hidden wink thing at each other like that....</p>

<p>Originaloog, I am surprised by your post as I see the situation quite differently. If this mom wrote superlatives about her son, well, ya know she IS a mom, she is allowed to do that. I am sure many of them are true. What I see is a stressed out mom who is nervous because her son was devastated over the rejection at Yale. I see a situation where they have not had much guidance in terms of college selection where they live and were not as "informed" themselves perhaps which is all too common. Most parents would not have a clue how to go about selective college admissions or even college selection, and so forth. It takes a lot of educating of oneself. I learned a lot along the way. But I know some parents who do not have a clue about this process. I also see a parent of a child who excels and if you did not have that much knowledge about the state of selective admissions in this country, you would gear such a student to top schools and feel he/she had a darn good chance of getting in. Believe me, folks in my community were always saying my older D could name her school when I know through my knowledge of elite admissions ain't so. Even my D's GC who we really really like, tells me to this day, in all of his 25 years as a GC, will never get over my D's deferral and ultimate rejection at Yale as he was stunned by it, saying my D was the best student he had seen in 25 years. But I don't feel that way AT ALL because I am very very aware of what admissions at a place like Yale is today and very qualified kids are kept out due to the overwhelming numbers vying for the spots and the element of a lottery at this level. My D went into that application fully aware of that situation and thus did not expect to get in, not because she was not qualified or not confident but because the odds were overwhelmingly difficult for even the BEST students. </p>

<p>Berurah has a talented bright son who on the surface, one would surmise could get into a top school. What she may not have realized going into this process is that at the top schools, kids like her son DO get rejected in droves. He definitely has a chance to get in because of his fine profile but there is an unpredictable nature involved at places like Yale. Thus his rejection is one that perhaps took them hard because they would not have predicted it as possible. But if I had talked to her months ago, I would have said so from the get go that this was very possible. In fact, now that she has shared her son's college list, while I think he has a chance at all the schools on it, the list is TOP HEAVY and almost all reach schools, and I would advise against ANY student having such a list, not JUST her son. I do not think she has been advised well and not blaming her but she is not as well informed in terms of perspective of this situation with elite admissions. </p>

<p>Her son should continue to apply to some of those reach schools. He really needs to add match schools that are more in line with schools like Tufts, Boston College, Johns Hopkins, University of Rochester, Rice, Washington U in St. Louis, Emory, and many many more that are appealing in that category. Then he should have one safety that is not his state school (though his state school is fine too if he would be happy there). Schools like Lehigh or Brandeis or Dickinson might be safeties for him. </p>

<p>In any case, I see a mom who is very involved, stressed at the situation and was not as informed or well advised earlier in the process but is desperately looking for how to go about it now. I also see a family that took the Yale thing hard, unfortunately and I hope they get over it very soon as there is no shame in getting rejected at a school like Yale and it is not a commentary on whether he was "good enough". It is the nature of the high stakes game and if you are going to enter it, be very aware of what you are getting into. </p>

<p>Susan</p>

<p>"For those who wonder why good people often lurk rather than post, attacks like these may be the answer."</p>

<p>editrix~you could not have said it better. As a matter of fact, that is EXACTLY why I "lurked" for one year before I ever posted anything. Been there, done that with online communities.</p>

<p>I have to say that I am a bit stunned at the strange posts questioning my validity. I mean, I can't imagine a reason WHY one would issue fake posts on a COLLEGE board?! If I were given to creative writing, I think it would take it to a place with wider appeal and more <em>exciting</em> subject matter. </p>

<p>Secondly, if I were given to exaggeration, I would not have listed my son's ACTUAL test scores, but would rather have given him the benefit of perfect scores on everything. I mean, why not? For that matter, I'd have claimed he was ACCEPTED to Yale, and save this whole mess!</p>

<p>I have kept my responses on this forum kind, supportive, and from the heart, but I am going to go out on a limb here:</p>

<p>ilcapo, if you are having issues sharing the <em>attention</em> on the parents board for five minutes, please retreat back to the students' boards until this thread has died down. I personally have never posted to you because I had nothing positive to say to you...please return the same courtesy to me.</p>

<p>And to originaloog: Just one word---HUH?</p>

<p>To everyone else, I appreciate your support, but please don't feel that you have to waste any more responses defending my legitimacy. It speaks for itself. </p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>And as far as 40% of the posts being mine....</p>

<p>I was raised in the south with southern manners. I feel that if someone took the time/energy/initiative to post to me, I like to post back when I can. ~berurah</p>

<p>Beruah,
Ignore the people who are claiming that you are a troll. You know what you are. There's no reason to defend yourself.</p>

<p>You got so many posts in response because so many parents can empathize with where you're coming from.</p>

<p>Best to you and your son.</p>

<p>Alexandre,</p>

<p>I appreciate having your opinion on Michigan. Right now, I can see U.of M. as the most likely possibility for him, though we are still submitting to the original schools on his list and hoping to add one or two others mentioned in this thread. Thanks for the vote of confidence and the support! ~berurah</p>

<p>Berurah, what those two posters wrote says worlds about them and nothing about you.</p>

<p>I know you said you weren't in need of any more supportive responses, but I thought I'd write one in case someone's counting them. :-)</p>

<p>searchingavalon--Your post brought a smile--THANKS! Sometimes we think we can do it all ourselves, but it's nice to have friends! </p>

<p>northstarmom--I will still be getting back to the last pm...just a lack of time with six kids home on the weekend! And I so appreciate your support.</p>

<p>soozievt--Yep, your post summed it up PERFECTLY! And I thank you for your wonderful suggestions and support. BTW, do you really think Brandeis is that much safer than his other choices? I'm not that familiar with it.</p>

<p>momrath, snappyretort (love the screenname!), marite, frazzled, and editrix--y'all are the best! ~berurah</p>