<p>Is that the extent of UPenn's famous undergrads? Not that it's a reflection on the quality of the school, but that's a pretty weak list compared to Columbia or Harvard or Yale.</p>
<p>no, of course it isn't, just like John Jay, Alexander Hamilton, and Annie Duke are not the extent of Columbia's famous alums. But it does make monydad's attempt at labeling us and feeling superior to us fall completely flat.</p>
<p>edit: ...which, of course, gives me a raging hard-on.</p>
<p>since someone continued this thread..</p>
<p>I might add that in the important category of Famous Jailbirds, my cursory investigation indicates Columbia is seriously lacking. Unless you're going to continue your usual practice of acknowledging Barnard only when it's convenient for you and then claim Martha Stewart. All you seem to have is some Beat-Generation hop-heads who shot each other, and apparently got less jail time for it than Milken did. A Columbia guy who shot his Barnard-educated wife.. I wonder where all that pent-up hostility started from???</p>
<p>It's true that you've made great strides in recent years, but you'v'e got no Unabomber. Sorry.</p>
<p>Lauryn Hill went to GS, didn't she? She lived in Hogan, which was my dorm last year. she wasn't exactly the picket fences and neatly-mowed lawns type.</p>
<p>and martha stewart totally would've gone to columbia if she could have back when she attended.</p>
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<p>Pre-CU-coeducation BC grads were grandfathered in to CU. It's a pretty easy bright-line rule to apply.</p>
<p>nyu: better weed, empty library, 40% of lahng island, pseudo hipsters</p>
<p>aside from the location, nothing about nyu (outside of stern) strikes me as academically rigorous or intellectually stimulating. and i know some not-too-bright people that are going through the college of arts and sciences. honestly, if it weren't for felicity and giuliani, it'd still be the degree mill it was in the early 90s.</p>
<p>Harvard-Brown is still a pretty big football rivalry (at least for the alumns anyway), and was recently bumped to Ivy opener. I forget when it happened, but Yale used to be at Harvard the same years Brown would be at Columbia to maximize attendance at both games, but at some point I want to say Columbia went to Brown two years in a row screwing up the sequence (and sort of diluting any potential for a rivalry, at least locally). After Yale running up the score on Columbia this past season, there's at least the potential for that to turn into a rivalry, but the team still needs to improve.</p>
<p>Penn and Columbia would indeed make sense. Both are the only ivies in the middle of real cities.</p>
<p>And Columbian hubris nonwithstanding, the academic quality is equal, probably with one department having a slight edge over the other. Penn sciences and business are probably better than CU because Penn Med and Wharton own, while Columbia probably has an edge in social sciences because they have SIPA and a better location in the capital of the world.</p>
<p>As a college senior, the following are solemn truths.</p>
<p>Columbia has no real rivalries after freshmen year when all of you are still hyped up over the admissions process and everyone you know from high school is at different schools. As time passes you won't pay as much attention to other schools, because you're 1) at columbia and 2) you drift apart from other people or don't identify them with their school anymore.</p>
<p>That disclaimer aside- there are no 'real' rivalries. Princeton Penn has basketball (one that Penn's been dominating recently). Harvard-Yale is just about everything from football to admissions stats. Those are the major rivalries. As far as Columbia is concerned, we're not good enough in any major sport to have a real rivalry yet (though that might be changing as we speak). We do have a very interesting relationship with Brown- it seems that there's a large number of cross-admits at the schools, despite being very different, and its a pretty even battle (as opposed to say Harvard-Columbia. It's a pretty-much one sided fight.)</p>
<p>The NYU thing doesn't last past freshmen year either. They're downtown, you're uptown. They may be 'closer' to the 'city', as they'll brag, but that's what the subway is for. Big whup. You'll be ignoring them by sophomore year.</p>
<p>In short Columbia is a pretty insulated world.</p>
<p>Oh, and you can see CUNY City College from Amsterdam avenue, but no one except the native new yorkers even know that its there.</p>
<p>I agree that it's not like we have Princeton voodoo dolls, but there is still a general "Puck Frinceton" attitude that crops up every now and then.</p>
<p>(the quoted phrase being a tshirt from a recent homecoming football game)</p>
<p>well, Princeton is pretty much the antithesis of Columbia. Snobby, elitist, rural, Jersey, and they've had some pretty shady alums.</p>
<p>Wikipedia does not recognize any Columbia rivalries. They also do not recognize any Brown or Dartmouth ones. They do recognize Penn/Princeton for basketball, Harvard/Yale for football, and Harvard/Cornell for hockey. You guys just don't care enough about sports. Maybe it's because you guys have New York City to entertain you while Princeton, Yale, and Cornell are not in prime locations for fun.</p>
<p>Well of course, if Wikipedia says it, it must be true. I've read Columbia's wiki page and have neither the time nor energy to edit it. It's an OK source of info.</p>
<p>We historically haven't cared about sports because we're awful at them. Last football ivy title was in 1961, and we had a .500 record for the first time in a decade. Last basketball title was in 1968. In 2002-2003 the football and basketball teams went a combined 0-21 in the ivy league. Things have gotten a LOT better since but it'll take some time, and interest is climbing, especially in basketball.</p>
<p>It's hard to have a rivalry if theres no competition.</p>
<p>Not trying a paint a bleak picture. The Women's Soccer team won the league title this year, basketball is improving in leaps and bounds, and the cross country and fencing teams are dominant.</p>
<p>Haha, I've edited the Columbia wiki page...I think I'll go add an entry on Columbia's rivalries to convince you all :-)</p>
<p>NCAA College Football from EA sports says our rival is brown. At least that's what the 2001 edition of the game said. And obviously EA Sports knows everything there is to know about college rivalries. And Columbia sports DON'T suck. One of our teams won the ivy league and made the ncaa's this year.</p>
<p>As for Princeton, part of the reason for the rivalry there could be that probably at least of third (and probably more) of the people at Columbia are from New Jersey. Either that or it's the whove "NY vs. NJ" thing. Landfill--oh, sorry, I mean New Jersey, is also the butt of a lot of jokes at Columbia. Just watch the varsity show at orientation to find out.</p>
<p>"The Columbia University Association of Harvard and Yale Students United Against Princeton"</p>
<p>it probably lists brown by both process of elimination and the fact that columbia closes its season with the beatnik bruins. those treehuggers stormed our field two years ago after winning the extremely relevant ivy league title in the final game.</p>
<p>You're saying extremely relevant sarcastically, right? Because in football the ivy league title means nothing (although in other sports it does mean a spot in the ncaa's).</p>
<p>yes. yes he's saying that sarcastically.</p>
<p>christ.</p>
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<p>This is correct. Columbia-Brown is the rivalry game every year (i.e., the last game of the year) just like OSU-UM, Cal-Stanford, Harvard-Yale, Army-Navy. It might not be a "rivalry," but they're designated as such.</p>