<p>Btw, why doesn't collegeboard know/list this school?</p>
<p>look at their majors, i'm pretty sure ive never seen a school offer "missionary aviation"</p>
<p>bob jones university reminiscence---wow beautiful =D</p>
<p>"no slides or sandals"</p>
<p>I don't get it. Didn't Jesus wear sandals?</p>
<p>"Hair must be cut in a traditional, conservative style - not shaved, spiked, tangles, or shelved"</p>
<p>Hmm I could have sworn his hair was a bit long.</p>
<p>Yeah, they don't want students to imitate Jesus.</p>
<p>Because if they let kids imitate Jesus, we might start having social welfare programs, and that would help minorites... AND raise taxes. Oh no!!!</p>
<p>Maybe you all dont know your religion as well as you think. Here is another thread that is right on topic.
<a href="http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/iman_alqahtani/2006/06/the_afghan_apostate_abdulrahma.html%5B/url%5D">http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/iman_alqahtani/2006/06/the_afghan_apostate_abdulrahma.html</a></p>
<p>I assume you failed to really understand what I wrote. I said MOST Muslims dont follow the Koran(Qur'an) to the letter. The thread above talks about the widespread narrow mindedness in the Muslim society and those that follow the rule to compel conversion and if it doesnt work to kill them. According to that thread I am wrong in that they say it is the opposite, only a few dont follow that way of thinking.</p>
<p>Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62 ...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.</p>
<p>This came from another web page that list hundreds of similar quotes.
<a href="http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html%5B/url%5D">http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html</a></p>
<p>Here is another for those that really want to know more.
<a href="http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.blessedcause.org/Quran.htm</a></p>
<p>The big difference is why Muslim advocates kill the non believer, christianity advocates love for the non believer. They also advocate being seperate and not partaking of the wordly ways. This is the main reason for all the rules at these types of Universities. I find it really supsicious why the Liberals will attack Chrsitianity but defend Muslim. Of course Muslim is anti Christian and so is Liberalism. </p>
<p>I havent heard of a abortion clinic bombing lately. There was a group of radicals that were doing this but it isnt advocated by the bible they claimed to be following. Thats the big difference, the Qur'an teaches and advocates violence.</p>
<p>So like I said his claims had some merit. Several of you totally twisted and made it more than what I really said. </p>
<p>Confused _student- Your reply shows the name really applies. Very fitting.
Calling fundamental Christians nutjobs is a little ignorant. These people choose to live at a higher standard, a standard that results in a better citizen(looking at it from a secular viewpoint). These people are productive and not leeches on society. Their way of life generates less turmoil and suffering for their families unlike a secular family who may be involved in drinking, drugs, illicite sex and more. Basically they live a moral lifestyle. Not to say a secular individual cant be moral its just that the schools like this are protecting their students from falling to these temptations and going wild as kids would do in a secular setting. How much pain is caused to ones self, family and community by engaging in this lifestyle compared to living a more moral lifestyle. Even if you dont agree with them, you have no reason to ridicule them.</p>
<p>WHat ignorance. </p>
<p>On the hair issue. There is no real pictures of Jesus and his hair we dont really know what kind of hair he had but thats not really the point. A clean conservative hair cut is a way to set themselves apart from a lifestyle they believe is not Godly. While i was raised in a fundamental church as a teen I fought this and even went through a period as an adult where i grew my hair long. One day I realized it just looked unrefined and unkept so I cut it. I am sitting at home today and not at church so I am not some nut as you would label me. I have been involved in both worlds and can offer some insight to how and why some things are as they are or seem as they seem. </p>
<p>And about social welfare. Jesus and the Bible taught to be responsible and put in an honest days work. He also did teach to help those in need. I agree we should help those in need but at the same time we should not propagate irresponsible behavior which social programs do. This is why most Christians are against welfare as it is. I owned a couple grocery stores in small towns, and worked at my dads store in a different town. The abuse of the system is massive. I can give you story after story. Your tax dollars are supporting, for the most part, lazy, irresponsible, drunks, and drug addicts. So dont make the Christian conservatives out to be just a bunch of money hungry cold hearted people. We just dont like getting screwed over. The truth of it is the reason we have social programs is a way for one party to use laws of the land to force us to support those individuals, all done in order to gain a large group of political supporters. Its the most obvious, outrageous form of vote buying ever created. They dont even use their money to do it. They use the power given to them to force us to pay for their vote buying. Those of you who cant see this or that buy into it really boggles my mind.</p>
<p>I thought fundamental Christians were of the statist persuasion moreso than conservative. Of course they are usually grouped with conservatives because they are more interested in social restrictions than economic ones, but I think statist is a better group to put them in.</p>
<p>chuckdvc:</p>
<p>I've never ridiculed a real Christian. But then, I've never met a real Christian. I've met a LOT of pseudo-Christians. I'm not entirely sure that real ones exist.</p>
<p>I think the pseudo-Christians deserve my scorn.</p>
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<p>This is where you and I don't agree and probably will never agree. I think it's a little ignorant to NOT call them nutjobs.</p>
<p>So let's stop there.</p>
<p>Do realize though, I'm only talking about the most extreme sects...which is exactly what Bob Jones is. Evangelicals in general are fine, Christians in general are fine. The kids at Jesus Camp? Not so fine...</p>
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<p>Right. Because Ted Haggard wasn't drinking, doing drugs, or illiciting sex and more.</p>
<p>"Do realize though, I'm only talking about the most extreme sects...which is exactly what Bob Jones is."</p>
<p>Exactly. Not allowed to listen to music? Can only watch PG movies?</p>
<p>That's infringing on personal freedom, methinks ...</p>
<p>seems like this thread isnt exactly on topic anymore</p>
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<p>To be fair, that's not true. They can listen to Gregorian chants from Monks in the 1200s. Furthermore, they cannot watch PG movies--the site says they're only allowed to watch G.</p>
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<p>Well, it's kind of hard to discuss Bob Jones without discussing the fanaticism associated with it.</p>
<p>Umm, wow chuck...
Yes, there ARE violent Muslims, just like there are violent Christians, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, and members of pretty much every single other religion on the planet. As a Jew, I have a fairly thorough knowledge of the Old Testament and I can tell you that there are some passages there that in some ways "encourage" not-so-nice actions against members of other religions. It's just the way the world was when these religious books were written, and it's not an indication of how ALL members of these religions act. Pretty much every religion that was in power in some region at that time had a "kill the nonbeliever" policy. Of course that's wrong, but humanity was different 1 or 2 thousand years ago. Several of my good friends are very devout Muslims, and I'm a fairly religious Jew. We have NEVER had any issues whatsoever. It is unfair and unjust to condemn members of an entire religion for the actions of a small, fanatic sect of Islam. The vast majority of Muslims in the world are just as accepting and kind as everyone else, we just don't hear about them. The media often sensationalizes the actions of relatively small groups such as Al Qaeda and makes it seem as if "most" or even "all" Muslims are like that. It really bugs me when people demonize members of Islam for things they never did! If you want to love someone who disagrees with your beliefs, stop overgeneralizing and condemning people who are not guilty of the "violence against non-believers" that you cite.</p>
<p>Remember they are trying to protect these kids from the influences of worldly lifestyle. Movies above G include promote sex, violence and an ungodly lifestyle. Same with secular music. And i argued with the music director at Indiana Baptist over which music I could listen to so i know both sides first hand. How small minded are you that you cant see this and at least say hey if thats what you want then have at it? </p>
<p>Its not a violation of anybodies right, they and you are free not to attend. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to embrace it or threatening to chop your head off for not doing so. In fact they dont even try to pass laws to force you to finance it. You are barking up the wrong tree here. </p>
<p>Grabbing one example of one religious leader is pretty shallow minded. I dont believe Haggard was associated with Bob Jones or even the type of fundamentalist Bob Jones represents. You attempt to associate them is a desperate attempt to prove a loosing point. </p>
<p>Now you want to speak out then go after the likes of Jim Jones or David Koresh. I consider them to be the nut jobs and Bob Jones types are very far from that, nothing even like it!</p>
<p>The Hunchback of Notre Dame is rated PG!! :o</p>
<p>Although, I agree with ONE thing that you say. Bob Jones and such colleges should exist because they make up only about .01% of all colleges and there are people who want to go to a place like that. We really can't complain because we know we'll never go there. That being said, it's still so much fun to make fun of them.</p>
<p>I dont hold the individual Muslim responsible. I was only pointing out that what the president of Bob Jones said had some merit. Even according to some Muslims as I cited in my previous post and I linked to. </p>
<p>Now personally while I do think those Muslims here in the US are mostly peaceful there are more than just a few in the rest of the world that are violent radicals. Violence is rampant in the world and Muslims are the cause in allot of the instances, if not most. Radical or not they are Muslims. The thing that really bothers me is first, the pictures of Muslims all around the world chanting and celebrating the day our towers fell and 3000 people, mostly Americans, were killed. It wasnt just a few radicals, it was an overwhelming majority of Muslims, even some of the so called peaceful ones in the US celebrated. Also if Muslim is so peaceful then why do not more leaders of the religion denounce the violence? They wont and cant because it is at the core of their beliefs. If more of their leaders would denounce such actions then I would accept that it just a small group of radicals but they wont so I cant help but to think the peaceful Muslims are in the minority. I do not label all Muslims as violent ,nor condemn them all, as in my first post on the issue. Stop trying to make it more than what i actually said.</p>
<p>Yeah, he's not saying that all Muslims ARE violent. Only that "Muslims all around the world " love it when Americans die and violence is "at the core of [our] beliefs".</p>
<p><sarcasm></sarcasm></p>
<p>By the way, who do you think are the leaders of the religion?</p>
<p>"Violence is rampant in the world and Muslims are the cause in allot of the instances, if not most."</p>
<p>... I'm trying to get over the ignorance of this ...</p>
<p>"Radical or not they are Muslims."</p>
<p>And?</p>
<p>"The thing that really bothers me is first, the pictures of Muslims all around the world chanting and celebrating the day our towers fell and 3000 people, mostly Americans, were killed."</p>
<p>So you think all Muslims are celebrating like that? ALL? (Sweep harder with your generalizations, won't you?)</p>
<p>"It wasnt just a few radicals, it was an overwhelming majority of Muslims, even some of the so called peaceful ones in the US celebrated."</p>
<p>Support?</p>
<p>"They wont and cant because it is at the core of their beliefs."</p>
<p>I think you're bordering on 'troll' now. Perhaps you should stop offending people before you get banned.</p>
<p>"so I cant help but to think the peaceful Muslims are in the minority."</p>
<p>Then I suppose you don't have the intelligence necessary to see that one cannot make judgments about an entire group of people based on a few (including the leaders).</p>
<p>"I do not label all Muslims as violent ,nor condemn them all, as in my first post on the issue."</p>
<p>Funny, you seem to be saying so.</p>
<p>Y'know, I'm Pakistani, and when people find that out, they accuse me of being for terrorism and the like, even when Bin Laden was from Afghanistan, and Hussein from Iraq. It seems to me at this point that you would be one of those people.</p>