What's Your Role in Your Child's Search/Application Process?

<p>I have taken my D to visit small, large, rural and urban schools so that she would have an idea on what she would and dislike. I have also helped her research/evaluate schools, but she has made her final list…She took schools off the list that I thought may be good for her but at the end of the day, she is the one that has to go and if she has a strong opinion about it, then why bother to push it.</p>

<p>I am now reviewing her apps for typos before she sends them…and basically helping her keep on track (i.e. reminding her of certain deadlines). She had a major “senior meltdown” this past week due to stress and the realization that this is “it”…once she calmed down, she refocused and is continuing to slog through APs, applications, and portfolio requirements…she is almost done and can see the light. I feel that my role is almost done once she sends everything in…she understands what we can contribute and the final is decision is hers (I just hope she doesn’t pick the school that is 3000 miles away!)</p>

<p>In terms of numbers, son#2 is applying to so many because so many are far reaches–schools where he’s in the pool, but it’s a total crapshoot whether he gets in. Perhaps I should place a limit on these, but I haven’t. What if five reject him and the sixth says yes? </p>

<p>The other reason is applying to several schools that may prove to be financial safeties. Also my son’s ideas about where he wants to go (geographically) and what exactly he wants to do are still in flux, and in six months he may have shifted enough that a different school than his #1 may make sense for a variety of reasons.</p>

<p>It sounds like you are handling thing about right – but here’s my 2 cents: I think the parent should protect the bottom line, and then let the kid handle the rest. By “bottom line” I mean the parent should do whatever is needed to make sure the kid applies to a couple of financial safeties that he would be willing to attend, even if not ecstatic – and from there let the kid own the process. “Own” doesn’t mean that the parent doesn’t help – but that the kid is the director, and the parent offers help when asked, but doesn’t nag, arrange, etc.</p>

<p>Why this approach? Because if YOU as a parent know that your kid can attend some place that you can afford --then your part is done. Your job as a parent is going to be to finance college – so it becomes your job to also make sure that there are a couple of affordable options in the mix. Since geography also seems to be a concern in your son’s case, you might also think in terms of a geographical safety – that is, make sure that one of those financial safeties is also located in a place your son is going to be comfortable attending (such as close to home, if that’s a concern).</p>

<p>If your kid is motivated, he may very well apply to and get into colleges that are a better fit, more prestigious, or more desirable in his eyes — but if the kid doesn’t have the motivation or internal discipline to get the paperwork in order and then meet the relative deadlines, then the kid is going to be just fine at that safety. Or, to put it another way, “reaches” are for kids who want to reach, not for parents who want to push. So there’s no particular reason for a parent to start leading and orchestrating in that setting. </p>

<p>So basically – you need to make sure that the safety net is in place. If those apps are already done… then you can have a relaxing and enjoyable year, being a voice of reassurance for your kid rather than added pressure.</p>

<p>calmom, I loved what you said here:</p>

<p>“Or, to put it another way, “reaches” are for kids who want to reach, not for parents who want to push.”</p>

<p>and…</p>

<p>“So basically – you need to make sure that the safety net is in place. If those apps are already done… then you can have a relaxing and enjoyable year, being a voice of reassurance for your kid rather than added pressure.”</p>

<p>I think everyone needs to hear those things. </p>

<p>In our house, my son is definitely the one wanting to go for the big stretches. But I sometimes let my anxiety about getting in and getting enough aid leak out around the edges. I love the reminder that I’m here to reassure him that it will work out. Thanks for that!</p>

<p>Paying the application fee. That pretty much sums up our involvement in his application process. Seriously, I did review the first app he filled out and advised him to change one question about how much time he put towards extracurricular activities.</p>

<p>Major contribution I made: catching a major computer glitch that calculated GPA in his school (actually several schools in the district).</p>

<p>As a result, his GPA went up by 0.3, and his class ranking went up by almost a full decile.<br>
I became a hero to kids whose GPA and class ranking went up :), and a villain whose GPA and class ranking went down :frowning: )</p>

<p>Countmonte cristo: You are doing what the vast majority of parents on CC do. They just don’t post about it because they do not want to be called helo-parents. Very few people are willing to pay $80,000 - $200,000 for a product or service and not have significant input in the selection of the product or service. Plus, everybody wants what is best for his child. You can learn a lot between the age of 18 and 50. High School seniors don’t get the benefit of any of that knowledge unless parents agree to be involved. Of couse, how much a parent needs to be involved depends on the child.</p>

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Oh, yes, I remember that debate! One of the “broken record” posters did their part to prolong the debate, too, in repeatedly posting how they didn’t understand why anyone would apply to 15 places. </p>

<p>Two years ago, my S applied to 15 colleges, too (applied to some extreme reaches and we had to be able to compare finaid offers).</p>

<p>DS is a senior; we had a long talk at the end of the summer about how to handle the stresses of this year given his heavy course load and, of course, the application process. What we agreed to - and it has worked so very well (thus far!) - is that we limit college conversations to Sunday afternoons. No mention whatsoever at any other time of the week. Has taken so much stress out of all our lives - DH and I might talk but out of earshot of DS. Fortunately, his school imposes deadlines that have gotten him going on the app process w/o any nagging on our end. We also agreed that DS could have one “mental health” day per semester when he just needed to veg - think knowing that has also taken some stress off.<br>
Last year we were involved in helping him with list - in large part b/c he was interested in schools all over the country. I took care of travel arrangements although he took care of making appts at the schools. Hardest part for us was keeping our opinions of the schools we visited to ourselves until he was ready to share his thoughts!
Am ready to proof his app but only if he asks…which I hope he does!</p>

<p>Chaieverymorning, you ask such interesting questions! Thanks. It is great to get everyone’s perspective on this one.
A friend of mine once said about the college process: “This is a process that requires a great deal of communication…that comes at a time in your kid’s life when he or she LEAST wants to communicate with you!”
I laughed, but I realized what my most important role was - to keep the channels of communication between parent and child open.
Another role I played was to politely ask all of the relatives coming for Thanksgiving during senior year NOT to ask my kids about the college process. The kids were so sick of it by then that they needed to talk about something, anything, else. Luckily, in their wisdom, colleges schedule football games involving backyard or other intense rivalries for that weekend; in doing so they provide a different topic of conversation for family members :)</p>

<p>“Another role I played was to politely ask all of the relatives coming for Thanksgiving during senior year NOT to ask my kids about the college process”…</p>

<p>and how did that work out for you? already one family gathering brought on tears…thinking of “skipping” Thanksgiving this year…</p>

<p>I will admit up front that the admissions process at our house would not have gone as well had there not been some BTDT parents here on CC and at the guys’ schools. I kept my ear to the ground for quite a while before we ever embarked on admissions stuff, and the prior planning helped make senior year itself somewhat less crazed.</p>

<p>Both my kids were very focused on what they wanted to study, so their searches centered on schools that were excellent in those areas. They both had a pretty good sense of what those schools were, fed by their teachers at their HS programs, some research on CC, etc. There were a couple of schools that I tossed out as a “whaddaya think of this one?” but they were pretty savvy about what they wanted and were definitive about what they didn’t want. As parents, we worked the logistics of visits, and they were able to see all of the schools that they were seriously considering. Part of this was done while on family vacation, some on school days off, and with S2 in particular, a lot were within a couple of hours’ drive. They made trips on their own so they could experience the solo travel issue for themselves.</p>

<p>S1 considered about fifteen schools, had a final list of ten, but only applied to seven (dropped a few after excellent EA results). S2 considered close to 30 schools, had a final list of eleven, actually applied to eight (dropped three after getting one of his top two EA). Neither were trophy hunting and only applied to schools they had a) visited and b) could see themselves happily attending. Our flagship was an admissions and financial safety with very good chances of merit $$, and both were comfortable attending there. </p>

<p>Both my kids knew I had a lot of info about colleges and the process, and were eager to ask for advice. It was much more collaborative and cooperative than I expected the process to be. It was a bonding experience for us, and yeah, a lot of our conversations senior year were about college, but not just about the administrivia. It was also about how to deal with roommates, learning to advocate for yourself, balancing a campus job with classes, stress management, identifying helpful resources on campus, learning banking and health care issues, and all those other Life Lesson 101 things you realize you didn’t get around to in the first 17 years. </p>

<p>I knew from CC that having testing done by the end of junior year was a good thing to do, so we as a family) made sure that each guy had time to prepare and did not have conflicting plans on the tests days. VERY HELPFUL ADVICE, both in terms of reducing stress senior year and in knowing what the numbers were so the list of schools was indeed a feasible one. </p>

<p>We learned that the GC’s request for a personal statement was an excellent launching point for developing essays and figuring out what combination of topics would cover everything my sons would want to include in their applications. S1’s research class junior year had the kids write resumes as part of the process of finding mentors – this was a HUGE help in assembling all those activities and awards, getting the documentation all in one place and seeing how all those seemingly different activities shared some common, non-obvious threads. As a result, I taught S2 to write a resume before starting any of the essays.</p>

<p>I will admit: I got a big wipe-off calendar for the entire school year and we both entered deadlines, school holidays, competition deadlines, etc. on it. We found that helped with reducing the nagging. I printed labels, made copies, sat with each kiddo as the apps were submitted or packaged for mailing to make sure everything was in order. I taught them how to send things certified mail, introduced them to FedEx and how to write a resume. They asked for comments on essays, but I did not see them until they were written and had gone through several drafts already. </p>

<p>I made their favorite foods, let them take the occasional mental health day if needed, made sure they had down time to think/recharge/nap, and kept them in clean clothes. </p>

<p>I was more involved than I expected, but I had one kiddo whose first semester senior year turned into a continuous science research competition, and another who was taking seven IB classes, was the debate team captain and was spending 25 hrs/week with football, plus the IB Extended Essay and TOK paper. If my printing labels got them an extra hour of sleep at night, I’m guilty.</p>

<p>I had the sense I wasn’t too overbearing, intrusive or nagging when my kids told me they were online with their friends giving them some of the same advice I had given them.</p>

<p>DS’s GC is giving all the kids a “Please don’t ask about college but pass the mash potatoes!” card to use at Thanksgiving :)</p>

<p>^^^Brilliant!</p>

<p>Siemom, that is too funny!
Rodney, the relatives did respect this request. But, as soon as the kids left the room (to check football games, of course), they asked ME. Better me than them!</p>

<p>D and her cousin tried the “but I’m a junior” response at Thanksgiving dinner last year…but everyone had already figured out they were seniors.</p>

<p>What was my parents role:</p>

<p>1) Drive me to the campus for a site visit (Dad)
2) Whine that I wasn’t applying to CalTech (Mom)
3) Visit CalTech for me since I refused to visit (Mom)
4) Question why I needed to apply to two schools if I was already accepted at one (Dad)</p>

<p>It’s the OP. I’ve been offline all day–and have really enjoyed catching up with the posts. I love the idea of feeding them, giving them time off, protecting them. I’ve spent the last two hours doing my own work and then jumping up on request to proof S’s final essays for his MIT application. I can see my son’s pride in his application and his essays and the best compliment I could give him was, “Whether or not you get in, they are really going to see who you are.” What more can we ask of our kids–besides putting themselves out there and taking the risk?</p>

<p>When my son was going through this two years ago, we …</p>

<ol>
<li>Drove him to most of his visits (mainly Mom, but Dad did go to two of them, while a dear friend and his AP English teacher took him on another)</li>
<li>Proofread his essays, applications (Mom and Dad)</li>
<li>Sorted through all the mail that he got (Mom, we did have other mail like bills that got lost in some of the college stuff)</li>
<li>Encouraged him to consider all National Merit offers (he did take one, and is at that school now)</li>
<li>Paid for one half of the applications (my son paid the other half)</li>
<li>Prayed that it will be easier the second time around with younger brother (it will, as he loves where his older brother goes to school. Now, all he needs to do is get a nice SAT/ACT so he earns a full tuition scholarship)</li>
</ol>

<p>I talked to a mom the other day who said that she and her husband did not even know where their daughter was applyingy - now that is the other side of involvement!!!</p>

<p>The comment regarding it’s all we talk about is a wake up call for me. I think it has been fascinating to watch the research abilities in our DD grow and there have defnintely been a few bursting buttons moments (e.g. when we walked away from a college after an information session and commented that they seemed more interested in saying they were educating students than actually educating students…or the time that I dragged her kicking and screaming to a school visit that wasn’t “sexy” and she visited, warmed up, and eventually admitted it was one of her top choices. Now THAT is open minded!)</p>

<p>The only thing that the OP and others say that rings alarm bells for me is when they say “I picked colleges for her.” Perhaps it is only semantics, but I make it very clear that I am the secretary not the boss, and that I am merely researching the specific criterion she requests. If her criterion change, my research will change. I am serious - I have a secretary, and when our DD and I are fighting I actually do say “What would Missy do?” :)</p>