<p>How many hours it takes to drive from NY to IN?</p>
<p>10-12 hours...</p>
<p>Last week...did Portland, OR to Madison, WI...30 hours.</p>
<p>Madison, WI to Albany, NY in 15 hours.</p>
<p>Hope this helps. :)
IB</p>
<p>BTW, Not crazy...just spring break and had an urge to see the colleges again before I had to decide.</p>
<p>It would come down to MSU and IUB, for me. They are both better than PSU or Bing, imho. I would give the slight edge to MSU because:</p>
<p>a) MSU is tops in job placement.
b) overall, their undergrad student pop is a little more competitive than Indy -- admissions is a tad tougher and, contrary to TourGuide, I think having UM's huge rep to deal with makes MSU stronger, whereas I don't feel IUB has that esprit de corps vs. Purdue like MSU does vs. UM; the psychological stakes just arent as high in Indiana.
c) MSU has the prestigious Troy Exec development program in Detroit that gives the whole program a bit of psychologically swagger, and
d) the clincher, is MSU has influence in the huge Detroit auto/executive metropolitan market whereas Indy just cant measure up.</p>
<p>But both IUB and MSU have great music/cultural programs and active, diverse student bodies and insanely goregeous campus environments adjacent to sophisticated, liberal/progressive college towns (although, Bloomingtons maybe I stress maybe -- a tad better than E.Lansing in the long run) like I said, its a toughie, but overall, I feel Michigan State has more pluses, and would be at the top of my list.</p>
<p>I went to grad school at IU for a while and now live in Michigan (and go to MSU several times a year--have a cousin who's an MSU prof). It would be folly to make your decision based on the fact that MSU is in the same state at the auto industry. The auto industry is in brutal shape these days, and few people around here are very optimistic. There is NO DOUBT that in this state and on the MSU campus that there is a feeling that MSU is 2nd best to U of M, and MSU people spend a lot of time trying to convince themselves otherwise. Bloomington is a FAR better college town than E.Lansing.</p>
<p>That's a matter of opinion and perspective, TourGuide. I went to MSU and, since I graduated in the 90s, have spent a lot of time in the state and on campus every year (multiple times). While some Spartans do feel UM is "better", equally as many, if not more, do not. And what do you mean by "better" anyway? Define yourself. Better reputation? I would agree, UM does have a better reputation. But is it a better college or even academic experience for every student; esp. for the significant jump in tuition UM charges? Many say: no. I conceded to you that Bloomington may be better in some ways: perhaps more restaurants and/or galleries, etc. Still, right now E.L.'s film festivals the largest/most prestigious in Michigan. The Arts and Folk festivals are very good. The Lansing Symphony Orchestra (among the better mid-sized city orchestras) is HQd on campus at the Wharton Center. And MSUs outstanding Jazz Studies program has many students trolling the several jazz spots in town. Thats East Lansing. Tell me what makes Bloomington, a significantly more isolated town, so significantly better than EL?</p>
<p>As for the auto industry, you miss my point. Whether or not the state is struggling right now economically, which it is, the presence of automakers as internationally powerful as the Big 3 is that they not only consistently boost UM and MSUs engineering, business and other research programs, they are a huge source of entry white collar executive opportunities for grads of both the undergrad and MBA programs. The State of Indiana simply does not have that kind of concentrated corporate power in a comparable (to Detroit) metropolitan area. The decline of union-level blue collar jobs, while very troubling, is not relevant to this discussionthese are not the kind of jobs graduates of MSUs business school are going into for their careers. </p>
<p>And, no, MSU people aren't "trying to convince themselves" of anything. Most recognize Michigan State is excellent public university. Unlike some, we just don't have to keep telling people such 24/7. Such an ad hominem attack from you tends to reveal your personal biases as opposed to your dealing in fact. Whats your point?</p>
<p>props to quincy4 for exposing the logical fallacy of ad hominem</p>
<p>Hey, I taught college philosophy for a decade, so I know what an ad hominem attack is. And saying that Sparties continually try to convince themselves that they are on par with UM isn't one. It's a factual comment on the fact that even MSU people are so uncomfortable about their position relative to UofM that they feel compelled to remark upon it. An ad hominem attack would be if I wrote something like, "How could you go to a college where the students like to celebrate by burning couches?"</p>
<p>And it's not just BLUE collar auto jobs that are getting wiped out by the thousands.</p>
<p>LOL Tour, it's worthless talking to Quincy. She's scaring people from applying to MSU.</p>
<p>She!!!!!?????</p>
<p>Sorry TourGuide, but the (general) definition of an ad hominem attack is the attacking of the person instead of that persons idea. It's a shame, in discussing which SCHOOL is better, you have to start foolishly attacking MSU PEOPLE. Talking about how "paranoid" Spartans are, IS attacking the person -- and it means, of course, you're totally lacking on facts, so now, lets presume to define 390,000 "SPARTIES" oh yeah, and now you're into name calling... enough of my time wasting with you. Good night.</p>
<p>Wow, a guy has the name "Quincy", no wonder you went to state.</p>
<p>It's relevant to the discussion that even the people closest to MSU (students and faculty) are almost all in agreement that that they took second place in a 2-horse race. And "Spartie" is how MSU alums refer to themselves, you twit (now THAT's an ad hominem).</p>
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<p>Chicago is the important business city in the Midwest. Detroit and Indy are both small potatoes although Indy has more upside than Detroit. Indiana places better in Chicago than MSU.</p>
<p>Penn State-Altoona isnt bad if you want a small start, about 75% of branch campus students in the Penn State system transfer to Main anyways.</p>
<p>Waste of two of the best 4 years of your life.</p>
<p>true, haha.</p>
<p>"Chicago is the important business city in the Midwest. Detroit and Indy are both small potatoes although Indy has more upside than Detroit. Indiana places better in Chicago than MSU."</p>
<p>First, Indy isnt on par with Detroit as a business center to its state (which I thought was what we were discussingChicago wasnt in the picture). Detroit is still the HQ of the nation (and world's) auto industry. But since you've raised Chicago, barrons, what evidence do you have that IUB "places" better than MSU there? I have many business connections in Chicago and travel there often and, frankly, I hear little about IUB there compared to UIUC, MSU, Wisc and U-M, and even Purdue. And even despite the terrible 2nd place/2-horse race TourGuide cites that makes MSU totally useless in his/her mind, MSU's student population, in business and generally undergrad-wise, is more competitive academically than IUB, which has announced it is raising its admissions standards... but that will take several years to take effect.</p>
<p>If you want to stay near home and cost is an issue, I would not rule out Buffalo or Binghamton. I live in Buffalo and while many people don't know much about the school, all of my friends that go there absolutely love it. Their business program is also pretty good. I've heard very similar things about Binghamton. Ask yourself if you want to stay near home, and if you do, don't hesitate to pick one of those great schools.</p>