Which University is the Most World Renowned and Why?

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ We’re arguing semantics here.</p>

<p>Read the quote:

I’d say Berkeley is as prestigious as HYPSM+C and is about as well known as Harvard or Stanford.

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<p>“is as” does not equal “more”
“is about as well known”</p>

[rtkysg]

<p>

Get real.</p>

<p>Now I’m not talking in terms of true quality of education or strength of given academic departments, etc., but when it comes to pure renown, fame, prestige or whatever you want to call it, Harvard is way out in first place and Berkeley is way back in the pack.

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<p>What do you mean by way back in the pack? Do you mean that Stanford, Princeton, and Yale are way back in the pack as well?</p>

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Look at it this way:
Stanford is sometimes called the Harvard of the west.
Duke and Emory are sometimes called the Harvard of the south.
Chicago is sometimes called the Harvard of the midwest.
McGill is sometimes called the Harvard of Canada
Univ. of Tokyo (and others) is sometimes called the Harvard of Japan.
And so on…

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<p>Have you heard anything like “the Cambridge of _____”? Your argument is simply not sensible. </p>

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Join Date: Aug 2004
Threads: 76
Posts: 2,962 >>As prestigious and well known as HYPSM…Not the <em>most</em> prestigious.<<</p>

<p>If Harvard is the <em>most</em> prestigious then Berkeley cannot be as prestigious. “Most” means most.

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<p>This also implies that YPSM are also not as prestigious as Harvard! It sounds like a Harvard fanatic view.</p>

[tokenadult]

<p>I think coureur has posted a thread in the Yale Forum (search for it) indicating that he didn’t start life as a Harvard fanatic.</p>

[ilovebagels]

<p>Has this thread devolved into self-parody yet?</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Yes! Let’s go to Einstein Bros. and get a blueberry bagel with cream cheese, coffee, and revel in the fact that we both attend(ed) inferior schools. :p</p>

[kyledavid80]

<p>

Stanford is sometimes called the Harvard of the west.
Duke and Emory are sometimes called the Harvard of the south.
Chicago is sometimes called the Harvard of the midwest.
McGill is sometimes called the Harvard of Canada
Univ. of Tokyo (and others) is sometimes called the Harvard of Japan.
And so on…

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<p>Berkeley is sometimes called the Harvard of public schools. =p</p>

[Calcruzer]

<p>UCBChemEGrad,</p>

<p>I’ll go with you and buy the coffee–if I can somehow scrape up enough money. We inferior UCLA MBA grads can only find menial executive positions in today’s world.</p>

<p>P.S. Transportation may be difficult, though–can you make sure the Einstein’s is near the bus station?</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Haha…Calcruzer, your MBA is much more prestigious than mine. I’m a lowly Cal State Northridge MBA. =P</p>

[shermanbus83]

<p>That Cornell is regarded very highly internationally is very logical. Outside of the U.S. media bubble most people’s knowledge of a university is primarily driven by the prestige of the people that they know who went there. Cornell Alumni are prominent throughout the world for several reasons not replicated by it’s competitors.</p>

<p>Harvard ,Yale, Princeton Grads are primarily known in law government and business, while Cornell’s are known in these things they are also preeminent in Agriculture, Engineering, Labor Negotiation, Veterinary Medicine, Nutrition, Crop Science and Architecture. These fields are taken much more seriously in the developing world than they are here.</p>

<p>Even more siginificant is that many of the most famous hotels and restaurants throughout the world are run by graduates of Cornells Hotel School.</p>

<p>Throughout it’s history Cornell has admitted people of all races, colors, sexes and religions, while earlier in the century HYP and others did not. This means that it is more likely that the older respected members of society in Africa or Asia were able to go to Cornell than HYP etc.</p>

<p>Cornell is larger and thus has more alumni throughout the World than the other Ivies.</p>

<p>Many other World cultures take history more seriously than we do here in the U.S. so they are less effected by the college trends of the moment and more aware of history so they realize that both Standford and Berkley are actually copies of Cornell and they prefer the real thing.</p>

[the_prestige]

<p>“Standford and Berkley”? Is that a new sitcom?</p>

[sakky]

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Throughout it’s history Cornell has admitted people of all races, colors, sexes and religions, while earlier in the century HYP and others did not.

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<p>Uh, let’s not romanticize Cornell’s past history. True, Cornell behaved better than some other schools, but Cornell wasn’t perfect either.</p>

<p>*“By the late 1920’s, only Chicago, Cornell, Brown, and Penn among the elite schools remained relatively open to Jews. Even in those institutions, the schools of law and medicine maintained anti-Jewish quotas.” *</p>

<p>[The</a> Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State - Google Book Search](<a href=“The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State - Benjamin Ginsberg - Google Books”>The Fatal Embrace: Jews and the State - Benjamin Ginsberg - Google Books)</p>

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Cornell is larger and thus has more alumni throughout the World than the other Ivies.

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<p>Uh, no, I’m afraid that’s not true. Cornell is not the largest Ivy. Keep in mind that Cornell’s * graduate *programs are not that large, relative to some of the other Ivies. What Cornell has is the most undergrads among the Ivies. But it is Columbia that has the largest number of total students, including graduate students. Even if you exclude Columbia’s “non-degree” students, Columbia still has (slightly) more total students than does Cornell.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000395.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000395.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/enrollment_fte_level_2004-2007.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/enrollment_fte_level_2004-2007.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Furthermore, graduate programs tend to produce a higher rate of “alumni” for a given student population, because graduate degrees tend to be earned faster than are undergrad degrees. Bachelor’s degrees generally take 4 years to complete, whereas master’s degrees generally take 1-2 years to complete, professional grad degrees generally take 2-4. True, PhD’s sometimes take longer than 4 years, but many PhD students will pick up master’s degrees along the way (and hence will be considered “alumni” at that point). The upshot is that grad programs are able generate alumni at a faster pace than the undergrad programs are (holding size equal).</p>

[kyledavid80]

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Many other World cultures take history more seriously than we do here in the U.S. so they are less effected by the college trends of the moment and more aware of history so they realize that both Standford and Berkley are actually copies of Cornell and they prefer the real thing.

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<p>Haha, riiiight.</p>

<p>By the way, Cornell was founded in 1865; Berkeley, in 1868 (though the colleges from which it was made were founded in the 1850s). Funnily enough, it wasn’t inaugurated until 1868. Cornell did not accept women until later. Berkeley, on the other hand, allowed women in from its beginning. Not to mention Berkeley rose in prominence long before Cornell. Stanford probably became prominent earlier than Cornell. So I don’t think they’re “copying” Cornell.</p>

[Alexandre]

<p>Kyle, you know I always correct people about Cal. On this occasion, I must correct you. Cornell was founded in 1865 and went coed in 1870. As universities in their current form, only two colleges/universities (Oberlin College and Lawrence University) went coed earlier than that. Cal and Michigan also first admitted women in 1870. </p>

<p>[Days</a> of Cal | Timeline](<a href=“http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/CalHistory/timeline.html]Days”>http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/CalHistory/timeline.html)</p>

<p>[Cornell</a> University - Search Cornell](<a href=“Cornell University | Search Pages”>Cornell University | Search Pages)</p>

<p>[UMAlumni.com:</a> About the Association](<a href=“http://alumni.umich.edu/info/um/history.php]UMAlumni.com:”>http://alumni.umich.edu/info/um/history.php)</p>

<p>Also, like Cal, Cornell rose to prominance very quickly. By 1880, it was already concidered a major university.</p>

[coureur]

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<p>As universities in their current form, only two colleges/universities (Oberlin College and Lawrence University) went coed earlier than that.<<</p>
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<p>Make that three. Willamette Univ. was nominally founded in 1842 and was chartered into its current form in 1853. It was co-ed from the start and in fact its first graduate was a woman - in 1859.</p>

[Milkmagn]

<p>Princeton, according to US News. Also much more focused on undergrads and smaller</p>

<p>I much prefer Stanford than Harvard.</p>

[amb3r]

<p>What’s Cal? Is it Caltech? Or is it the University of California schools, or just one of them? I’ve never heard the abbreviation ‘Cal’ before.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Haha…Cal = Berkeley </p>

<p>Cal; Berkeley; UCB; UC Berkeley; University of California; University of California, Berkeley; California are all the same college.</p>

<ul>
<li>Cal, California, University of California are more prominent in references to Berkeley’s sports teams.</li>
</ul>

[amb3r]

<p>That’s kind of strange, how Berkeley claims the “Cal” part of “California” all to itself… If I were to hear Cal I would think Caltech - although I don’t think anybody calls Caltech Cal - then I would just think of all the California system schools together :P. Rest of names make sense.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>^ Berkeley is the original University of California…therefore, we claim it.</p>

[UCBChemEGrad]

<p>Caltech, or more formally, The California Institute of Technology, is not part of the University of California system. It’s a private university.</p>