<p>getup01, you're not helping your case lol.
Also about your rebuttal... Those events are not in question the same way god's existence is. I'm not very familiar with them but I'm willing to bet the evidence we have is evidence beyond doubt OR that historians say it is a possibility that x happened, they don't believe it without proof.</p>
<p>I believe in God, because God is powerful there is no one above him, he works in numerous ways, if you trust him your blessings increase. He wakes us up everyday and gives a sound mind!</p>
<p>I believe everyone should have a personal realtionship God, and truly get to know him on a personal level!</p>
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Because wikipedia makes sure its legit or else it wouldn't be posted on wiki
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<p>Yes, you're completely right. How do they make sure that the articles are legit? Citations. The very top of the article in questions points out the lack of citations.</p>
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<p>At my school, we're not allowed to cite Wikipedia... ;)</p>
<p>roxxy: I think that rejecting the divinity of Jesus Christ once you have learned of it is one of the worst sins possible. Correct me if I'm wrong.</p>
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Christianity is not a religion. It is a relationship.</p>
<p>Christianity is not a system of beliefs or doctrines. It is a person.
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<p>What a sensationalist approach. Might've worked, had it not contradicted the A=B=C logic. (If Christianity is a relationship, and it is also a person, then a person is a relationship. The latter is not true. =p)</p>
<p>rockermcr: true, Wikipedia can have erroneous facts, but there are many other sources that even I have read that cite how long it took all the books to be written after Jesus died. Here's a source that's possibly reliable:</p>
<p>I'd be wary of it, though; I don't think anyone knows the exact dates of when they were written.</p>
<p>You have a relationship with a person, of course. Maybe it would've made more sense had he said, "It is about a relationship."</p>
<p>DynamicDiva, are you being sarcastic?</p>
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<p>Hm, I think so, yes. It's really just rejecting the idea that Jesus Christ is Savior in general that is the worst sin, according to Christianity. That's not to say that someone who never learned of Jesus would automatically go to hell. God's smarter than that; I'm pretty sure it's written in the Bible that God "sees" your heart and knows if you would or would not have eventually accepted him in time.</p>
<p>Edit: Then again, I'm not sure if I'm correct in saying "worst sin." Christianity (not including Catholicism) preaches that all sin is equal. Like, sin is sin, there aren't any "levels" or anything like that. But seeing as the acceptance of Jesus as Savior is the fundamental basis of Christianity, maybe, then, yes, it is the "worst sin" to reject him.</p>
<p>roxxy: I don't think that's how it works. I think you have to believe openly* that he exists, in the same way that you must repent openly when you have committed a sin. From what I'd learned, if a person had never learned of Jesus and then died, he/she would be stuck in purgatory forever.</p>
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<p>Kyledavid, not necessarily. If God or Jesus Christ was an understanding God, he would understand the reason why people reject him. After all, both of them have not proven themselves to the present day people.</p>
<p>And I don't mean proving yourself as in granting miracles that are indirectly mistaken for coincidences</p>
<p>Well roxxy, if you want to believe that god sees into your heart becuase of the bible... here's a nice description of your source: </p>
<p>"Contrary to common belief, there was never a one-time, truly universal decision as to which books should be included in the Bible. It took over a century of the proliferation of numerous writings before anyone even bothered to start picking and choosing, and then it was largely a cumulative, individual and happenstance event, guided by chance and prejudice more than objective and scholarly research, until priests and academics began pronouncing what was authoritative and holy, and even they were not unanimous. Every church had its favored books, and since there was nothing like a clearly-defined orthodoxy until the 4th century, there were in fact many simultaneous literary traditions. The illusion that it was otherwise is created by the fact that the church that came out on top simply preserved texts in its favor and destroyed or let vanish opposing documents. Hence what we call "orthodoxy" is simply "the church that won.""
<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/NTcanon.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/NTcanon.html</a></p>
<p>yes, written by an atheist but with the same history written elsewhere.</p>
<p>hahah. true. umm... im not trying to prove christianity, for the 1000000th time! I will simply say why I believe and what I believe and leave it at that. I will not spread myself out with "what ifs" anymore because they will be in vain. </p>
<p>I believe in the Quran and its perfectness. I believe this because there are way too many "coincidences" in the universe and our known world and in everything that is in the Quran. The Quran has no contradictions in itself, though one may argue that a Hadith could be wrong (a Hadith is equivalent to a writing from Paul or something, it is a man's written account of what he experiences from the prophet). If you do not believe, then read it. There is ONE GOD, not a confusing trinity or an unbelievable pantheon. He created all perfectly and is above all. My only real proof for the existance of God and that the Quran is correct is that it coincides with the laws of the universe and that EVERYTHING that happens is way too coincidental. There.</p>
<p>So Authentic: I know for a fact that, according to Christianity, God isn't that understanding. If a Christian informs you of His existence, you must accept it, or else you are committing one of the worst sins. And you'll be sent to hell on Judgment Day.</p>
<p>No religion is without its flaws. Christianity has them, Islam has them, the Greek myths have them (they too were once considered a religion -- one man's mythology is another man's religion). Any complex system will have its flaws. For example, the world that J.K. Rowling has created in Harry Potter is very flawed; Middle Earth is very flawed; all kinds of systems are flawed. The Bible is full of contradictions, and I wouldn't be surprised if Islam had plenty of them, too.</p>
<p>I think purgatory is a Catholic belief, correct?</p>
<p>(I'm not Catholic; I'm not sure.)</p>
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<p>Yeah, the Catholic stance seems a little more harsh than the Protestant stance. I thought the general belief was that God is loving, but he is also just and fair. Basically, you'll get what you deserve.</p>
<p>Hm, but I guess I'll have to look into that.</p>
<p>Well, perhaps any limbo of a sort.</p>
<p>Please do not assume that Islam has flaws unless you yourself have read the Quran.</p>
<p>But if no religion is flawless then who are Christians to have the audacity to try and inform other people about whatto believe and whats real?</p>
<p>&& not I do believe that no religion is flawless but the people are what makes it flawless. Especially the hypocrits. Like the muslims who go ahead and still eats pork. Is the mild or extreme?</p>
<p>Ahh, I feel like we're going in circles here.</p>
<p>In the minds of christians, and other people of faith, they are trying to save you. Period. believe what you want from this faith or another, but in the end, so as these people of the books say, it doesnt matter unless you believe their faith and that faith alone.</p>