<p>So Authentic:</p>
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Suppose you suddenly hear a loud bang . . . and you ask me, "What made that bang?" and I reply, "Nothing, it just happened." You would not accept that.
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<p>So Authentic:</p>
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[quote=Kai Nielson, Philosopher]
Suppose you suddenly hear a loud bang . . . and you ask me, "What made that bang?" and I reply, "Nothing, it just happened." You would not accept that.
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<p>pseud08, You fail to acknowledge that we are talking about God here. By definition, God is a supreme being. Doesn't this imply that He's able to do everything at once? He won't get stressed out over too much homework for the weekend, and say, "Oh, forget about it, I'll just completely neglect something as trivial as the seasons, and let luck make the best of it."</p>
<p>roxxy, I highly doubt the big bang was god's work though
If you read about the bIg bang and the little atom that it started with you'll also think it wasn't God's work.</p>
<p>&& of course I won't believe that "nothing" made a big bang.
what website are you getting these quotes from</p>
<p>Again, we cannot ask the question, who created God? if God truly did create the universe as many people assume, then wouldnt that make him bigger than the universe; bigger than our conception of creation; bigger than our concept of procreation?</p>
<p>rockermcr, maybe you don't understand the scale of the universe. We are beyond forgetful. We are literally nothing. If there were a god, I'd say yes he would neglect something as trivial as the seasons.
On a side note, I feel as if I'm in christianforums</p>
<p>Its ironic that we are trying to define God with our limited knowledge of the universe, while at the same time realizing that we do have a limited capability of knowledge of the universe.</p>
<p>roxxy: I don't think Kai Nielson knows very much about the Big Bang. If you can, direct this philosopher to this page:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang</a></p>
<p>It's very helpful. =)</p>
<p>Additionally, I'll point to John C. Mather and George F. Smoot, who in late 2006 received the Nobel Prize in physics "for their discovery of the blackbody form and anisotropy of the cosmic microwave background radiation." As the Smoot article puts it:</p>
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This work helped cement the big-bang theory of the universe using the COBE (Cosmic Background Explorer) satellite. According to the Nobel Prize committee, "the COBE-project can also be regarded as the starting point for cosmology as a precision science".
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<p>Exactely getup for post #124! && they say the universe goes on forever non-stop........
I'm kind of wondering how they're able to tell this if they've never tried to go beyond...</p>
<p>But still could God have created that big giant black area in space called the universe? If heaven is beyond Earth is it a possibilty heaven is whats beyond the universe thats why probably god wants the universe to go on forever?</p>
<p>Again, thoughts that make me skeptical</p>
<p>&& I'm definitely not trying to define him, I'm just asking question. In matter fact, how do we know its a "HIM" rather than a "HER"
Is this where the whole idea of men bneing more dominant than women comes from? thefact that God is perceived as a male?</p>
<p>While I am decidedly a nonbeliever in SPECIFIC religions, I'm skeptical of the "Big Bang theory disproves God argument (or makes God unlikely). If God is indeed a supreme being, one can simply argue that in creating the world, he also created the laws of physics and everything else along with it. The process of the universe forming is simply his doing. Nothing contradictory there.</p>
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<p>But the two are very closely interrelated.</p>
<p>Since we're talking about creationism/The Big Bang, let's look at some facts:</p>
<p> [quote] Stephen Hawking has calculated that if the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have collapsed into a fireball.</p>
<p>British physicist P. C. W. Davies has concluded that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for the formation of the stars -- which are necessary for planets and thus life -- is one followed by at least a thousand billion billion zeros.</p>
<p>Davies also estimated that if the strength of gravity were changed by only one part in 10^100, life could never have developed. (For comparison, there are only 10^80 atoms in the entire known universe.)</p>
<p>There are about 50 constants and quantities -- for example, the amount of usable energy in the universe, the difference in mass between protons and neutrons, the proportion of matter to antimatter -- that must be balanced to a mathematically infinitesimal degree for any life to be possible.
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<p>Perhaps heaven is simply one of those other universes predicted by M-theory.</p>
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<p>You're joking, right? Haha, I'm pretty sure rockermcr and I are the only ones who've said we're Christians (actually, I'm not even sure rockermcr is one -- are you?)... everyone else seems to be an atheist/agnostic!</p>
<p>I actually do think is whats beyond the universe. Thats probably why the universe is so long and you can neverget to whats beyind it. Because probably God intentionally did that because Heaven is whats beyond..</p>
<p>Just surmising</p>
<p>PS:: I'm a Catholic in Denial LOLOL</p>
<p>WindCloudUltra: yes, but that begs the question, who created God? I think that's the question central to this specific topic.</p>
<p>nice post roxxy. also, we cannot assume that heaven and God are confined to our simple 4 dimensional version of the universe. Remember, string theory and M theory say there are 10-11 dimensions total.</p>
<p>I haven't said it yet, but I am a Christian.</p>
<p>so authentic, they absolutely do NOT say the universe goes on and on forever. It is finite but unbounded. </p>
<p>roxxy, the initial conditions are extremely different than the conditions only a couple million years after the big bang... true stars couldn't for in the first few seconds, but in the next 14 billions years... they could. About Stephen Hawking's calculations: well then we're very lucky it worked out.</p>
<p>haha windcloud. i posted and then saw u wrote that. haha!</p>
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<p>I believe the Christian response would be, "No one created God. He always was, is, and will always be."</p>
<p>Which definitely does not bode well with most people. Life on earth is all about beginnings and ends, and it's hard to wrap your mind around God being like a circle, with no beginning or end.</p>
<p>pseud08, probably I phrased that wrong</p>
<p>all my science teachers that dealt with space said that the universe is never-ending and skeptics claim that there may be other solar-systems elsewhere but still...</p>
<p>Windcloud, I always thought of that question and it scares me everytime I think of it. Who created GOd then? How did he or possibly even her start?</p>