<p>"college where students are happy >> college where students want to commit suicide"</p>
<p>Yeah, and that's not something you mentioned before. Students who have selected a school with good fit >>>> students who have selected a school with bad fit.</p>
<p>For some JHU offers a better and social experience than Brown. I can only imagine that Brown offers students a different environment that may fit some better. Not everyone is the same, although this may come as a shock to some people.</p>
<p>Yes Brown offers and extremely easy, lazy environment, while people at JHU actually have to WORK to succeed in college</p>
<p>weak arguments.</p>
<p>using stereotypes = no authenticity = no point</p>
<p>LOL, It has nothing to do with my problems with Brown.</p>
<p>I'm simply answering the OP's question Bescraze. I have supported and agreed with everything you said on how Brown is a fantastic school, search through my posts in any of my threads concerning Brown.</p>
<p>I have not stated once that Brown was overrated or does not deserve a higher ranking. I just said that Brown was not mentioned in threads such as top IR, top economics, top anything.....because its not top those areas, THATS WHY ITS NOT MENTIONED. Get the logic? L O L</p>
<p>I was directly addressing the OP's question. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should take a stab at the OP's question. ::roll eyes:</p>
<p>Your simply having a problem with me pointing out department rankings. Thats the only answer I have to the OP' question. What is yours? You haven't, so case in point!</p>
<p>Well there's no doubt that Brown is grade-inflated even for an Ivy league school. There's no stereotype there. But I actually think that Brown's policy is a good thing. Who doesn't want to go to a college not having to worry like crazy about your GPA or your standing? I know some like the "drinking from the fire-hose" experience but I can't imagine many do. Also, the Pass/Fail thing is sort of over-played. I'm pretty sure if someone sees a transcript full of P/F they'll be like...err...yeah...next! P/F is great in the fact that you can take your strongest classes for a grade with passes in the others. This way employers will continue to value Brown's cache and you get a lot for less work. Furthermore, people at Brown love their experience. So as an undergrad school I don't know if that is defined as underrated. I don't think it's academic programs are underrated but the value for those who fit with Brown (which I can imagine to be many) certainly is.</p>
<p>^ I totally agree. Brown is a fantastic school, highly selective, great liberal open curriculumn that fosters learnng for exploration and learning for the sake of learning, Ivy league status, very stong intellectual staff and student body.</p>
<p>I think most ppl would agree with that. It is the LAC of the research schools where its specific departments do not shine above the rest or anything, you can still get a great education regardless. I totally agreed. Reputation wise, Brown dominates Hopkins, WashU, NU, etc.... Bescraze. I have no doubt on that. :)</p>
<p>I think the only thing Brown has going for them is there Ivy League Status. Without that, they would be gone.</p>
<p>"Brown is a fantastic school, highly selective, great liberal open curriculumn that fosters learnng for exploration and learning for the sake of learning, Ivy league status, very stong intellectual staff and student body."</p>
<p>You can say that about so many other schools that my brain is hurting just trying to think of all of them.</p>
<p>^ True, Brown isn't unique in open curriculumn or having "passion for finding new individual pursuits or love for exploring." lol</p>
<p>SO THEN WHY DO PEOPLE LOVE BROWN SO MUCH???</p>
<p>lol. sorry. but its extremely frustration how people worship brown</p>
<p>OMG swimguy why do you hate brown so much?</p>
<p>why do you LIKE brown so much?</p>
<p>D was accepted to both Brown and JHU. Major difference to both schools.</p>
<p>i like brown because in adiditon to the usual (ivy leage, great academics, great opportunities) there a chill laidback atmosphere unlike at many of its peer schools, and there is an open curriculum which would allow me to take what classes I want. I can explore different subjects like taking science courses without worrying about whether my GPA will suffer. I like the campus and that its in a relatively nice area pretty close to major citys (boston, nyc...). also its the perfect size for me--not so small its suffocating but not so large you get lost. finally, I love that you can coregister at RISD--there are very, very few academically strong schools at which I would be able to major in history while still taking fashion design classes. </p>
<p>...now i just need to get in...
=P</p>
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Selectivity=quality now? Haha, I think this discussion is frequent on CC. JHU's selectivity does not bar it from having excellent applicants and excellent students. Perhaps they are simply more self-selective than Brown
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Ummm....selectivty usually does equal quality. If a school is so popular that it is so selective, than usually it has some stuff going for it. Great academics, prestige....I mean something. The more selective a school has, the more options it usually has in who it admits (also people prefer to go to a more selective institution in general so greater chance of enrollment) and as a result it can get a very strong class.
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why do you LIKE brown so much?
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The better question is why you don't? Strong student body, great academics, highly selective, great reputation, fantastic social experience....and its probably better than any school you will go too with your attitude.</p>
<p>so I am destined to fail at college because I don't like Brown.</p>
<p>Ha. Thanks Bescraze. I disagree with everything in you defense of Brown except for the strong student body, and the reputation,</p>
<p>"Ummm....selectivty usually does equal quality."</p>
<p>No, selectivity does not usually equal quality. That is a correlation that might true. The University of Chicago is not very selective compared to its peer institutions, but that's because it's not very popular. It is one of the best schools in the nation.</p>
<p>Let's take Britney Spears, for example. She's popular. She's had several top-ten singles, and sold millions of albums. She's always in the tabloids. Does she have any talent? No. Good marketing.</p>
<p>Or Paris Hilton. She is famous for NOTHING. She is a bad actress and a bad singer. Not to mention a... promiscuous person. She markets herself, and is consequently famous. Again, quality is only one thing of many that can lead to fame.</p>
<p>Draw the parallel to college. BC has a low acceptance rate considering its quality (or so it goes...). It markets itself and is in a great location. Those factors contribute to its selectivity. From the acceptance rate, we know nothing about the quality of the institution.</p>
<p>Some schools market themselves very well, such as WUSTL. It is an excellent institution, but it was an excellent institution before it started marketing itself so strongly as well.</p>
<p>"If a school is so popular that it is so selective, than usually it has some stuff going for it. Great academics, prestige....I mean something."</p>
<p>Let's add to the list: Great location, popular policies (open curriculum, for example), a name or a membership in a league, etc. Note that out of these only great academics can be directly linked to the quality of the institution.</p>
<p>"The more selective a school has, the more options it usually has in who it admits (also people prefer to go to a more selective institution in general so greater chance of enrollment) and as a result it can get a very strong class."</p>
<p>Ooh, right. You know, UofC's student body is WAY inferior to all the Ivy League schools, right? Their SAT scores and HS rank are FAR inferior, and they aren't as smart or get into as many grad schools, do they? Same with St. John's. Because the curriculum is so unique, the pool is self-selecting. It's so intense that a lot of people take a year off. But because it's less selective, the school has fewer options, right? The students must be much worse.</p>
<p>Seriously, please think about this for a second. Selectivity by itself proves nothing. If it's selective because of great academics, then it shouldn't be too hard to show that the school has great academics. There are so many irrelevant reasons for selectivity. In addition, your mentality is actively shafting all schools that have incredibly strong but self-selecting pools. Maybe the school only appeals to a certain type of student, albeit a very capable and strong one. The selectivity is less, but the school has all the options it needs, and wants.</p>
<p>Brown is a great school. But if the only way you show this is through the acceptance rate, don't expect anyone to be convinced.</p>
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I don't think that's really fair to MIT and Caltech to say they shouldn't be ranked with "broad-reaching" universities, MIT especially. All MIT is missing is the humanities and the arts
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<p>You say it so lightly--missing those is a big deal. Humanities and arts go further back in education than do engineering and such.</p>
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while quite a few other "top 10 schools" offerings in engineering are quite sparse.
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<p>But they do offer engineering. I can't really think of humanities/arts that MIT offers, other than English.</p>
<p>IMO, tech schools seem 'misplaced' in the broad-reaching national universities, in the same way that Dartmouth is rather out of place. The same logic behind separating out tech schools for their specialized offerings is the same behind the idea of separating LACs into a separate category. They have a mission that's fundamentally different from research universities. The same can be said of tech schools, except that although they are research universities, they provide primarily (if not exclusively) a science/math/engineering education.</p>
<p>Of course, there are other schools that don't offer certain things, and we don't know what to do with them: U Chicago, for example, in its lack of engineering. Tech schools, though, are in a class of their own.</p>
<p>Well there is no doubt that the academics at Brown are great, the student body is strong and the school is very prestigious, but I think the social experience is more of a subjective opinion. Just from visiting Brown, I found it to be very pretentious but thats just my opinion. Its very hard to rank a school because there are so many factors. I think Brown is a great school but its not for everyone.</p>