<p>In the sciences, CMU beats Georgetown hands down. Also, Georgetown's B-School is not as prestigious as Carnegie Mellons. But for all else, I;d give Georgetown the edge. </p>
<p>I'm not from the east so perhaps someone can answer this for me. Where do the majority of common admits of Gtown and Univ. of Virginia attend?</p>
<p>Is it relatively even like that of USC and UCLA common admits?? </p>
<p>I ask because the four schools mentioned above are ranked within 6 slots on USNews WR.</p>
<p>Well it usually depends on the $ factor. If the common admits are from Virginia, then they will most likely go to UVa, but if $ isn't really a factor, then they will most likely pick Georgetown because of the private school perks and connections.</p>
<p>How about Univ. of Maryland and Georgetown common admits? As prestigious as Georgetown is, I do not contest this, it offers very little to those intending to major in science/engineering. Its programs in economics, political science, and history aren't that strong from what i can tell.
Perhaps this is the reason Georgetown is lagging behind some of the other elite schools (Johns Hopkins, Chicago, Northwestern). The Univ. of Chicago does not have an engineering school, but it's strong in the sciences/economics. </p>
<p>Perhaps it's time for Georgetown to start an engineering school?</p>
<p>Sure, with all the extra room there is in DC. ;)</p>
<p>the lack of space hasn't stopped ucla from expanding. ucla is developing every patch of greenery left into facilities. they are/have also expanding/ed into westwood. ucla has done the most with the least land. ucla is the smallest of the UCs by land.</p>
<p>how long will georgetown live off of its dc and jesuit charm.</p>
<p>i can definitely see usc eclipsing georgetown in a decade or so, if they don't do anything about it.</p>
<p>You people talk as if #25 is a Junior College, 25 is still a very respectable score off the top of my head i could name about 18 better schools</p>
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<p>Actually, it's the second biggest behind Davis. ;)</p>
<p>When it comes down to it, I'd really put Gtown in the top 15. I definitely put it higher than an Emory, Michigan, or even WashU. CMU is actually a really good school, very good all-around, between business, research, engineering, and compsci. CMU gets killed by its anti-social nature and poor endowment (my bro goes to school there.) </p>
<p>At the same time, it really depends on what you are going to Gtown for. If you are going to study Chemistry, it might not be as hot as Cornell, but if you are going for IR (like I am) or polisci, I think it's only appropriate that you look at Gtown as a step higher.</p>
<p>yea i think what bumps georgetown down a bit, other than endowment, is perhaps a level of wellroundedness. it has individual departments that would be in the top 10, but some that wouldnt be in top 25, whereas other schools that are in top 10-15 will have many deparments at a high level.</p>
<p>what departments are in the top 10?
i noticed econ, history and polisci, fields i thought gtown would be in the top 10, is actually not even in the top 25!</p>
<p>Well I know they have really good programs in philosophy, comparative literature, and linguistics.</p>
<p>Linguistics is ranked 19th, which is respectable, but even UC Santa Cruz is ranked 9th. Comapartive Literature is not ranked and Philosophy is ranked at 41. I still think Georgetown is prestigious and possibly a top 20 national university, but where does this prestige come from?? Is SFS and the Law School enough to maintain Georgetown's reputation?</p>
<p>sixthbatter, i think the rankings you were looking at applied to grad programs only. i dont think there are rankings of individual departments at the undergrad level. when i said top 10, i just meant that, qualitatively, a department is just top in the field, and by lower than 25, its more on a second level. my understanding is that georgetowns undergrad social science program is very good, while its grad one is not as good.</p>
<p>yeah, that's what i suspected. while georgetown's undergrad is good, i haven't encountered a single professor with a Georgetown PH.D. at UCLA and at UCSB. But lots of lawyers from Georgetown. I wasn't trying to diss Georgetown at all. I guess Georgetown's professional schools are prestigious, but its undergrad school is more of a prestigious liberal arts college? kinda like Dartmouth , Brown and William and Mary</p>
<p>what does a low endownment really mean?
are alumni not happy with gtown? why are they not giving enough money?</p>
<p>yeah i was always a little confused on the low endowment thing. georgetown has such big-named alumni that its weird they dont donate anything. however, i did hear that most people like to donate to their graduate school. georgetown is recognized more as a prestigious undergraduate institution rather than a good graduate school. maybe that's why??</p>
<p>It has a large part to do with who is doing the fund-raising, and not who's donating the money. WashU never had such a large endowment until they brought in a new guy (probably either a new president or Provost) who then subsequently went around the country and explained why WashU so desperately needed the money. </p>
<p>Some schools also receive their money from corporations, like WashU or Emory, or others. Since Georgetown is more than affiliated with the Catholic Church, the wealthiest organization in the world, and since it is a religious institution, that might deter them from making donations.</p>
<p>Finally, Georgetown doesn't have a strong business school. You would think that most of the 8 to 10 digit salary-earners would have gone to business school, and McDonough doesn't stack up against a Wharton, Tuck, Stern, or even Tepper.</p>
<p>Look I don't want to bust anybodies bubble here but if anything Geargetown is over rated. Academically it is nowhere near a match with CMU or most of the others rated ahead of it and more than a few rated behind it. It has nothing to do with endowment. Georgetown has a very good law school a pretty good medical school and that is about it. No science, no engineering, no economics, no particular arts and sciences departments. The only other thing that shines is the School of Foreign Service. Its a little like counting on a School of Hotel Motel management for your entire reputation.</p>
<p>... says the GWU grad. :p</p>
<p>For a parent, that post was actually a little rude and tactless. Much like some of your other posts:</p>
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GW probably has more alumni [than Georgetown] in the area too. Though both schools may play second fiddle to the University of Maryland in a lot of ways.</p>
<p>Do a Lexus Nexus search and see what school name pops up the most in the local media. I wouldn't be surprised if it was GW outside the sports pages. Its more central location, Lisner Auditorium events, its hospital, and a few very public professors and the fact that CNN's CrossFire originates on campus tends to keep it in the news, especially locally.</p>
<p>Just speaking as a GW alumus myself we may not have great attachment to the school but we certainly don't suffer Tufts Syndrome or Ivy envy when we think of Georgetown. In fact most of us just think of Georgetown as a bunch of preppy wankers who are Ivy wannabes. You know - like Tufts alumni.
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<p>Someone is obviously still bitter...</p>
<p>The primary reason for the "low" ranking in USNews is the peer assessment. For some reason all the catholic schools have low peer assessment rankings, GT 4.0, ND 3.9, BC 3.6, compared to schools within 5 places in the rankings.</p>
<p>Further, their endowment is a bit low for a school its size. Consider Williams College, a school of 2000 students, has an endowment over $1.2B. Compared to the Ivy League schools it is not even close. Compared to their peer catholic schools, ND has an endowment of over $3B and BC has an endowment of over $1.1B. ND has 5x the endowment and BC 2x. However, the financial component is a much smaller factor in the rankings than peer assessment.</p>