<p>which military service academies will i make it into? or colleges?
I have recieved 1830 on SAT (Math- 620, Verbal-630, Writing- 580) Fortunetly, military service academies don't count writing section, therefore, it will be 1250 out of 1600. i have GPA of 3.08. 9th and 10th grade i didnt do well, however in 11th grade i didnt have any Cs only As and Bs. i have improve in terms of my grade. Perticipate in Football for 2 years and crew for 3 years, in Civil Air Patrol, doing brazilian Ju-jitsu and i'm the president of music club which i created. i have about 270 hours of community service hours. and i'm learning how to fly cessna and will obtain a licience.</p>
<p>Hello,</p>
<p>USMA now requires a writing score active for those who are entering in the year 2008. I'm not an expert at chance threads, but I'd say that you of course have a chance of getting in. Also think about ROTC as a fall back... the academies are very competitive. G'luck!</p>
<p>tlswogh89: Class rank is really important to WP - keep working on improving your grades and take the SAT and ACT at least twice. While WP requires the writing score to be submitted it is not included in the whole candidate score at this point. That being said, a poor score may raise some red flags.
Good luck!</p>
<p>Ann, can you break down something for me..</p>
<p>I know at west point, the academics is weighted at 60 percent...</p>
<p>How much is class rank/gpa/Sat/class rigor divided up?</p>
<p>The academic score (60% of Whole Candidate Score) weighting by percent is as follows: Class rank and course difficulty 23%, ACT/SAT English 18%, ACT/SAT Math 19% (23+18+19=60)
Leadership =30% (includes athletic and EC activities, teacher and MALO evals, leadership positions and other subjective evaluation factors)
CFA=10%</p>
<p>Take a look at a recent thread on the Air Force Academy forum here where someone asked basically the same question. Looks go input there as well.</p>
<p>Geez, they weigh the SAT test more than the Class rank and course difficulty? That's unheard of. That's why a lot of the end up dropping out. It's because they end up selecting those who perform well on a single test, than those who have dedicated 4 years of academic excellence.</p>
<p>Hey also, can someone tell me what the average SAT score was for USMA prep school. I know what you need for USMA, but where is the fine line drawn?</p>
<p>SAT/ACT aren't a perfect measure, but it is a single STANDARDIZED way to compare students from all over the country. Some people attended small schools in a rural community, some attended huge high schools in a large metro area......this gives colleges (not just the Academies) a good way to normalize that. Also remember that isn't the only thing they look at during the admission process.</p>
<p>The last test usma takes is January right?</p>
<p>"Geez, they weigh the SAT test more than the Class rank and course difficulty? That's unheard of. That's why a lot of the end up dropping out. It's because they end up selecting those who perform well on a single test, than those who have dedicated 4 years of academic excellence"</p>
<p>I would venture to say that the percentage the drop out is quite similar or maybe smaller than the percentage of kids who go on "five year programs" at civilian colleges.</p>
<p>The SAT is not hard and there have to be about 10 review books with about 5 practice tests. That's 50 full length tests you can take to practice. If you don't have the dedication to practice and do well on single four hour test then there has to be something wrong.</p>
<p>Yes, good to avoid jumping to conclusions.</p>
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<p>A percentage of those who start the program do not finish, each one probably has a different reason. Have yet to read anywhere that it is attributed to the use of SAT score selection.</p>
<p>The use of class rank and SAT scores has been found to be the best predictor of academic success at WP. One thing you need to know about WP - little happends by chance. They have the statistics to back up their decision making.</p>
<p>Well the reason this was a big shock to me was because at SLS, the admissions officer made it sound more like Class rank > SAT or possibly Class rank/gpa/course selection = SAT. But to think that a test almost has double the weight than I originally predicted was indeed a shock. </p>
<p>And... yes, I have been studying for the upcoming SAT. I'm planning on taking all of them all the way through January. </p>
<p>But umm..</p>
<p>can someone tell me what the average SAT score was for USMA prep school. I know what you need for USMA, but where is the fine line drawn?</p>
<p>Why are you so concerned with averages and considering your chances, Sinister? The majority of things you can put on your application have already been done. Use your time to shore up the things you can improve on (possibly SAT score, essay writing, and interview skills) and stop worrying about whether you will get in because even the best candidate doesn't know whether he/she will get in until the letter from the academy arrives. Que sera, sera; whatever will be, will be.</p>
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<p>That's exactly what I am doing. I asked where the fine line is drawn for the scores.</p>
<p>Just chill, bro. If you go into the test thinking about the minimum scores you need or if you even worry while studying, you won't do well. I got a 730 CR, 720 Math, and 780 Writing my third time taking the SAT and I didn't have a single worry in the world. </p>
<p>If you're going to aim for a score, go for the 800 in each section. It's counterintuitive to hope for anything less.</p>
<p>True true, by the way. You have some nice scores. Thanks for the tip.</p>
<p>Mister Sinister: The mean scores will vary by year, but the mean scores that have been provided previously are: ACT English 29, ACT Math 29, SAT verbal 629, SAT Math 648.</p>
<p>Class rank (and course difficulty) is important because it tells admissions how you performed compared to your peers who were given the exact same opportunities as you were. It is difficult to compare GPAs - schools grade and compute GPAs differently, and grade inflation is common. Standardised tests allow admissions to compare their candidate pool objectively. Don't forget that the teacher evaluations in Math, English and a Lab Science are also given substantial weight</p>
<p>I agree with Soylent. Take the SAT/ACT and focus on doing the best you possibly can, not some 'target' score. I not sure you should ever take any test with the goal of getting some of the questions wrong!!!</p>
<p>There are LOTS of different factors that are considered for admission to the Academies. Don't get all wound up in %, averages, statistics or whatever ......focus on the big picture.</p>
<p>Worrying about all of those stats and numbers won't make it any more/less likely that you get accepted.</p>