William & Mary or UPitt?

<p>I'm not so sure on which school to choose...I'm hoping to study psychology and enter medical school. I'm from VA
Dream School
- suburb right outside city
- about 6000 students
- diverse
- students work hard AND play hard
- lots of fun organizations
- strong academics </p>

<p>I've received a Chancellor's Scholarship (full ride) to UPitt
- It's ok, but I like W&M better
- Lots of attention
- Is it like a "state school" in that kids just party... and doesn't work much</p>

<p>I'm a Monroe Scholar at W&M (prestige + research grant)
- Like it lots
- Hesitant about the huge # of kids from my high school & area
- Right size
- I know people work hard + play hard </p>

<p>I guess I'm asking where I should go:
- lesser academic/prestige school, free, lots of attention + opportunities
- good academic/prestige school, $22K, some attention + opportunities, great students</p>

<p>If you like W&M better and your family is willing to pay for it, you should go there.</p>

<p>Pitt is not a party school (I don’t know why people keep assuming all public universities are…?). There are parties that go on if you’d like to be involved, but it doesn’t overtake campus life. I only party when I want to, and I still make the grade to keep my full tuition.</p>

<p>But I agree with MD Mom - your post sounds like you want to go to W&M a lot more than Pitt and the only reason you are interested in Pitt is because of the scholarship. I would agree and say if you can afford it, go to W&M.</p>

<p>W&M is public as well.</p>

<p>I talked to a Pitt guy and he said that the “general student body are the party-hard-study-little type”, which makes me a little nervous. </p>

<p>I do love W&M, and I know I’d grow to love UPitt too. I’m pretty adaptable like that. Do you think I’m giving up a lot of opportunities/attention from faculty by going to W&M?</p>

<p>DD is at Pitt. She did not like W&M enough to even apply despite the fact that her aunt, uncle, and two cousins are all graduates, and we spend quite a lot of time in Williamsburg. Her aunt works at W&M. The valedictorian of DD’s class is at W&M. </p>

<p>I think the two schools are very different and Williamsburg certainly doesn’t meet your “on the edge of a city” criteria. Pitt is quite a bit larger than W&M, and I would think that opportunities for undergraduate research would far surpass what is in Williamsburg.</p>

<p>Chancelor’s scholars have some nice opportunities not available to everyone. It is hard to tell what changes will come next year with a new honors college dean; however, it probably will not be radical.</p>

<p>My daughter has found the faculty at Pitt to be very willing to talk to her and they were very nice to her when she was trying to decide where to go. However, I think that if you like W&M better, that is where you should go.</p>

<p>What I gather from threads on this forum is that you would need to make your own opportunities happen with faculty and research options at Pitt. Sounds as if there are plenty of volunteer research positions available at the hospitals, but it is up to you to seek them out. I did not get the impression there will be much hand holding with regards to research and premed advising. It’s there, and available, but you need to take an active role in figuring out what you want and how to get there.</p>

<p>This is a no-brainer. Go to W&M, use the Monroe Scholar opportunity and try for a Rhodes your Sr. year.</p>

<p>Swish14 … I’m confused - why is this a no-brainer?? </p>

<p>Pitt basically grooms its Chancellor’s for Rhodes too. </p>

<p>I’m so nervous that I’ll make the wrong decision.
Would it be a good/bad idea if I go try it out @ Pitt, and transfer if I don’t like it?</p>

<p>Pitt has had 3 Rhodes Scholars in the past 5 years. Their honors college is very prolific in producing national academic scholarship winners such as the Rhodes, Marshall, and Goldwaters. As far as students at Pitt, I think you’ll find the spectrum of from partiers to bookworms. Obviously there are some pretty serious students at Pitt, but there are plenty of opportunities to blow off steam both on and off-campus. It is in a major city after all. It’s not like your relegated to only making friends of one type or the other. However, greek life is bigger at W&M.</p>

<p>As far as research, the experiences and opportunities at W&M would not be able to compare to a major research-intensive institution like Pitt, and Pitt is in the national top 10 overall and in the top five in med/biosciences. This is true for any comparison between similarly situated schools. Smaller schools just don’t have the larger graduate research component to offer similar access to the cutting-edge research, laboratories, equipment, faculty…or even the variety and amount of course offerings. As far as being on your own in finding a lab at Pitt, you will have help finding a lab through your home department or the honors college. [Undergraduate</a> research](<a href=“http://www.undergradresearch.pitt.edu/]Undergraduate”>http://www.undergradresearch.pitt.edu/) has been a big component of education at Pitt for a long time. However, this doesn’t mean you can’t be proactive about it. You want to find a lab doing research that interests you and has a good vibe about it. If you aren’t really that interested in the work being done, you won’t do as well with it, and worse, you might end up being miserable. Therefore, if there are cool labs outside of a undergrad psych or neuroscience department, say the Dept. of Neurobiology or Dept. of Pyschiatry in the med school, then there is nothing wrong with shooting out some emails to see if they are interested in taking on an undergrad. I did it both ways. I did unpaid undergraduate thesis research in the Dept. of Neuroscience and also did what ended up being a student employment job in the Dept. of Pathology in the med school. Both provided very different experiences using very different techniques. My undergrad thesis work ended up published in a major journal. While that is something that can really help differentiate your med school application, no one can guarantee that would happen for every undergrad, but you have a better chance at it the earlier you start working in a lab (the more time on a project the better) and at a school like Pitt where high level work is undertaken with the explicit goal of such publication.</p>

<p>Another thing I would recommend is that for pre-med, consider neuroscience instead of psychology as a major. If psych is something you definitely have more of an interest in, do it without hesitation (just like lab work, you want to be interested in your major!). However, neuroscience will typically expose you to a higher level of biology coursework. Either W&M or Pitt will prepare you for MCATs no matter what your major, but having a strong neuroscience department like that which exists at Pitt will cover topics that often give medical students fits (because they have to learn them so fast)…things like neuroanatomy and neurophysiology… and then when you get to med school these topics will be mostly review.</p>

<p>Despite any of the above, the bottom line is that you only get to do undergraduate school once. You have two very different choices. Pitt is very urban with all the cultural and social opportunities that are present in a big city…and Pitt really encourages its students to take advantage (see [PITT</a> ARTS](<a href=“http://www.pittarts.pitt.edu/]PITT”>http://www.pittarts.pitt.edu/)). W&M will be a lot more like your classic smaller town collegiate village setting and experience, and as someone who appreciates history, I really like its setting. Your success will be mostly on you, not where you go. Therefore, go where you think you’ll be happiest the next four years. Both choices are excellent and neither is wrong if you go where you’ll thrive and be happy, and I’m sure you’ll thrive at either.</p>

<p>wgmcp101–I think you should work for Pitt.</p>

<p>You’re not the first to tell me that. Alas, I’m in San Francisco, which isn’t such a horrible place to be. </p>

<p>If I and others that I know didn’t have such and exceptional experience at Pitt, believe me, I wouldn’t be on here pimping my alma mater like this…and it isn’t my only alma mater, but I know how strong, and generally under appreciated both it and the city of Pittsburgh are. I’m also pretty familiar with the bioscience scene so I hope I can be somewhat helpful outside of things just about Pitt.</p>

<p>That Pitt publication that listed all the scholarships students had won compared to the big name schools is the reason my daughter applied to Pitt. It wasn’t even on her radar. She loves Pitt, so I love Pitt. Have fun in California.</p>

<p>Hi I am a CS here and I picked it over Chicago and it was a really good decision. </p>

<p>Like, the University of Pittsburgh is a decent undergraduate program but it is a GREAT research university. So the mean undergraduate experience at W&M might be higher BUT I think if you are the kind of person who sets out to get the best experience possible and are assertive about it, there are very few places you could get a better education than Pitt. </p>

<p>Just my two cents.</p>

<p>You would need to check out W&M’s transfer policy carefully. But assuming the school would accept you as a transfer, you could attend Pitt and see how it goes, knowing that you have a backup plan.</p>

<p>The greatest distinction aside from weather and setting is peer group. The chasm between you and the avg Pitt student will be enormous. Your peer group at W&M will be truly your peers. W&M is entirely an honors program unto itself. They dont need to buy their top student. Go visit and see for yourself. Good luck.</p>

<p>The suggested chasm between honors and typical non-honors students at Pitt is just patently false. If swish14 represents the typical attitude at W&M, I’d be quite concerned. However, having known some W&M grads myself, I think its safe to say they don’t all display such snobbery.</p>

<p>wow, I would have thought swish was a ■■■■■ if not for his post count. I checked his past posts and it turns out he still is a ■■■■■. His support for W&M borders on chauvinism. I bet he searches CC threads every day for “W&M” and voices his support on school decision threads no matter what the OP’s other choices are.</p>

<p>Sorry if you both are offended. But it isnt about you. The OP has a big decision to make and wont be served by sugar- coating anything. Pitt and W&M are not peer institutions. That is a fact. I am sorry and I respect you for loving your school, but please dont disrespect me for trying to give an honest perspective to the OP. Call that ■■■■■■■■ if you may, I call it truthing.</p>

<p>I’m not criticizing you for supporting your school, my criticism is directed at you for talking about W&M like it’s Harvard. I would not go so far as to say the “chasm between the average W&M student and Pitt student is enormous” which is ridiculous. W&M is a good school, but it’s not THAT great.</p>