<p>No, I am not a ■■■■■; I am a real person. A lot of other people on CC agree that Penn and WashU game the rankings, so are they all ■■■■■■ too?</p>
<p>Also, I expect better from someone who’s at least 30 years older than me (you have a daughter!?). I did not know that adults made those kind of comments to kids.</p>
<p>MyBlsflHrt - I think what I said before is accurate: ALL schools game the rankings. Certain schools simply have the raw resources that lead to a higher ranking following such “gaming” of the rankings. I’m sure Brown and Hopkins game the rankings just as much as Chicago or Penn, but Hopkins and Brown just don’t have certain qualities (like a large endowment) that can push them up the rankings farther.</p>
<p>So, I’m unclear, why are you simply picking on Penn and Wash u? ALL schools game the rankings as much as is ethically possible.</p>
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Lots of people don’t agree with me on many topics. This is a ■■■■■.</p>
<p>Yes, I know that most schools game the rankings, I’m just saying that they’re known for gaming the rankings more so than any other school. I don’t mean to pick on Penn and WashU. I never said they were the only ones. Other schools include Duke, USC, etc…</p>
<p>Fine, you can call me a ■■■■■, but I am going to let you know that I am most definitely not a ■■■■■. You are just making yourself look stupid by calling me a ■■■■■ without any basis for it.</p>
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Only those that start spiteful threads on the Penn and WashU forums and insist they must be right unless the rest of the forum can prove them wrong.
Does CC have a kiddy section? If so, I’ll stay out of it and you can limit your childish allegations to that forum.</p>
<p>Honestly, what is your problem? I’d expect this kind of behavior out of another 16 year old, but not an adult. I’m sorry, but while you may be a lot older, you’re the one acting like a child.</p>
<p>I provided proof to back up my claim and no one could prove otherwise. So you get mad and call me a ■■■■■ and tell me that I should go to community college?</p>
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You provided no proof. If you are 16 then that explains a lot and I have no need to continue bantering with you.</p>
<p>Ummm, didn’t you see all the links I posted???</p>
<p>I still cannot fathom how an adult can act like you. Don’t you care about respect?</p>
<p>Look dude, you’re 16. We’re not going to waste any more time talking to you. you’re irrelevant. You have no clue what you’re talking about. Furthermore, you’re dead wrong and your arguments are fallacious (look it up). Why don’t you go home and do some SAT vocab prep or something? I suggest that you research the xiggi method so you can end up at a college period, let alone one that “games” rankings. Better yet, go throw a football around or something. Comming on a college thread to discuss whether colleges that you have not even applied to game the rankings makes you an extreme tool. I feel toolish for just responding to you.</p>
<p>I took the SAT a long time ago and got over 2300. And yes, I have already done LOTS of research and applied to several colleges, including Penn. :)</p>
<p>I don’t mean to boast, but I know a lot more about college admissions, and even grad admissions, than most other people, including some adults. So just because I’m 16 doesn’t mean I don’t know anything about these college rankings. I wouldn’t say that I’m “dead wrong” and that my arguments are “fallacious.” I always look up my information before I post it.</p>
<p>See Post #11:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/823151-what-colleges-renowned.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/823151-what-colleges-renowned.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-southern-california/727030-ranking-rigging-usc-3.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-southern-california/727030-ranking-rigging-usc-3.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html</a></p>
<p>Oh I don’t think he’s a ■■■■■. just an ignoramus ;)</p>
<p>Just because they changed their ranking methodology recently doesn’t mean they’re the only school that does it, or even that they’re one of the top gamers. Every school tries to improve their ranks. If you want to find the colleges that can game the best, just look at the “top colleges” because it’s very hard to measure the actual worth of a college.</p>
<p>She, not he.</p>
<p>Are you sure I’m the ignorant one? Or it is you? Have you actually looked up this information before?</p>
<p>STOP posting on this thread…it just makes the little girl feel important.</p>
<p>Okay, I don’t think you guys get what I’m saying. I did’t mean to offend anyone when I said that Penn, Duke, WashU, and USC game the rankings. Sorry if I did offend you.</p>
<p>I never said that they were the only ones who game the rankings. Other schools game the rankings too, but they’re not known for doing it as much as these schools are. I think many people will agree with me that these schools just tend to be more extreme when it comes to the rankings and the prestige that is tied with the rankings.</p>
<p>STOP posting on this thread…It just makes the little girl feel important</p>
<p>STOP posting on this thread…It just makes the little girl feel important</p>
<p>Without Wharton, UPenn would be ranked below Penn State. Oh wait, no it wouldn’t. It would still be a top 10 school like it is now.</p>
<p>Sweet lord how this thread had exploded.</p>
<p>Honestly, all these claims about rank-gaming are silly. Even if the colleges do pad things a bit – even if they all do – the relative ranks aren’t going to drastically change. Otherwise you’d probably run the risk of blatantly lying if you’re obviously out of place within the metrics such that things don’t make sense.</p>
<p>Regardless, USNews has their own metrics for ranking. It doesn’t mean that you should rank schools that way, too. To someone who wants to study business, Wharton beats HYP any day. If you want to become a hardcore engineer, go with Berkeley, Cornell, MIT, or Caltech. Rank is silly, especially when it just doesn’t really make much difference among all the top-10 schools anyway.</p>
<p>Anyways MyBlsflHrt, you’ve got the burden of proof concept backwards. The onus is always on you to defend why you believe something to be true, not the other way around.</p>
<p>To answer the original question, Penn would likely drop in ranking without Wharton. Wharton alumni help finance many aspects of the university, and the business program itself is very conducive to the school’s yield. The degree options are amazing at Penn, and you’d see a lot fewer people wanting to dual without Wharton. The curriculum is no cakewalk – you need students with pretty hardcore grades/SAT scores/etc to justify acceptance to such a rigorous program. All of these things are contributors to the ranking metrics, so without a doubt Penn would fall in ranking without Wharton. It wouldn’t drop FAR (I’d say it’d still rank above Dartmouth/Brown/Cornell), but it’d certainly drop.</p>