<p>STOP posting on this thread…It just makes the little girl feel important</p>
<p>STOP posting on this thread. It just makes the little girl feel important</p>
<p>STOP posting on this thread…It just makes the little girl feel important</p>
<p>Why multiple duplicate posts? I think you’re just trying to make yourself feel important. I guess you must be the “little girl.”</p>
<p>Also, I did back up my claim.</p>
<p>Read Post #24:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/322094-str-weaknesses-upenn-vs-columbia-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/322094-str-weaknesses-upenn-vs-columbia-2.html</a></p>
<p>See Post #11:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/823151-what-colleges-renowned.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/823151-what-colleges-renowned.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/713809-most-overrated-underrated-colleges-2.html</a></p>
<p>MyBlsflHrt - I don’t know if Penn, Wash U, Duke etc. are “more known” for gaming the rankings, I think, more accurately, that since they typically show up in the rankings in a peer group that most don’t associate with these schools (UPenn being shown close to HYPS, Wash U being close to Cornell, Brown, etc.), people focus more on these schools.</p>
<p>Again, I love my alma mater, the University of Chicago, but they - like every other school - have also “gamed” the rankings to move up. Most people, however, see Chicago as roughly in the same league as Columbia, Duke, etc., so there’s not as much of a fuss when Chicago takes the #8 slot as there is when UPenn takes the #4 slot. It’s only when something in the rankings belies perception that makes us focus on that school more. If Chicago all of a sudden moved up to #3 and surpassed Yale (just as UPenn surpassed Stanford one year), I’m sure you’d hear a racket about it. This is just like how, if Cornell moved up to #4 or Emory moved up to #9, people would exclaim that these schools “game” the rankings as well.</p>
<p>Without engineering, MIT would be ranked…</p>
<p>what do you think:)</p>
<p>Well, seeing as how engineering is MIT’s weakest area, I confidently say that it would challenge Harvard for the top spot in the world.</p>
<p>By the way, this is off topic but doesn’t UPenn ask for a picture of yourself? Or did they drop that? (Feel free to ignore this question.)</p>
<p>^nope. columbia does though</p>
<p>OK, I feel the need to weigh in here quickly, air out the dirty laundry, and teach MyBlsHurt about the birds & the bees.</p>
<p>1) As Cue7 explained earlier, all colleges manipulate their numbers for the rankings. Even UChicago, one of the finest research institutions in the entire world and a bastion of pure intellectualism, sees the need to do this. But one cannot simply label this a vice and move on. One must examine this within context: why game the rankings? Do rankings do something for the school?</p>
<p>2) Which brings me to my second point: HIGH RANK IS SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY. Penn’s top-5 USNews ranking make it a top-5 school. When Penn was first ranked #7, it did not deserve beyond a graduate level. Now it does, though, because #7-level students started to attend. Chicago, undoubtedly, is noticing the same trend. So while you can fault Penn for gaming the rankings back in 2002 (as other colleges do in other ways), can you fault it now for being truly selective? I don’t think so. Penn is, as you yourself admit, a top-10 school.</p>
<p>I personally would ranking the elite schools as:
1st tier: Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Caltech
2nd tier: Penn, Columbia –> Chicago, Dartmouth, Brown</p>
<p>I don’t think you can establish a true distinction between each, as you tried to.</p>
<p>So, to clarify: yes, Penn probably does “game” the rankings to a certain degree. But the implication that YOU made, and this is what some posters found detestable, was that by association, the admissions process that vetted us as “elite college material” and the choice that we made to attend this institution were somehow fraudulent and scorned by other “true” colleges. And the point is, they’re all kind of faking it, in their own way.</p>
<p>without wharton penn would be ranked… you gotta be kidding me.</p>
<p>the undergraduate rankings exist to get idiots like most of you who have posted to waste $200,000 of your money for an undergraduate degree. BREAKING NEWS: a majority of people with decent jobs have that same over hyped undergraduate degree and most of them didn’t go to an ivy league school. save your money and go to your favorite prestigious school as a graduate student and then maybe you won’t leave with debt coming out of your a$$. </p>
<p>and if i had to rank penn without wharton i’d throw them a 15.5. this post is so 2nd tier too. get at me!</p>
<p>^^^^^
So, how do you like Pitt? Is it a good value?</p>
<p>love it. full-tuition scholarship and in the school of engineering! definitely a bargain if you can get a scholarship or are in-state status. not worth it’s OOS tuition though.</p>
<p>What AKittka said above is very true. For the most part, going to a prestigious school won’t benefit you in anyway and you will only be wasting your money.</p>
<p>If you want to go to a professional school (med, law, business, etc), then you should go to a state university because you will save a lot of money and get a higher GPA.</p>
<p>If you want to go to grad school (PhD), then you should go to a liberal arts college because you will get the more attention from your professors than you would at a university.</p>
<p>The only time the rankings really matter is if you want to get a job on Wall Street or at Google straight out of college. Then it is definitely worth it to go to a more prestigious school.</p>
<p>Well, state schools don’t really inflate grades that much… so u may actually get a LOWER gpa. As to ranking w/o wharton, i’d give it anywhere from 6-10.</p>
<p>No, state schools don’t inflate grades. However, a student who was also admitted to a top private university would probably be at the top of the curve at a state school and thus have a higher GPA at the state school.</p>
<p>precisely correct - grade inflation or not, if you’re at the top of the curve you’re getting an A.</p>
<p>AKittka, lets analyze a scenario. You’re going to state school for free and then go to Wharton’s MBA program 4 years out of college. I finish Wharton undergrad and don’t go to grad school.</p>
<p>My costs: 215ish thousand
Your cost: 160 thousand (grad school tuition) + 160k (2 years of foregone income) = 320k</p>
<p>Our salaries when you’re applying for jobs and when I’m continuing to work:
Your average is about 145k
Mine is roughly 100k + 178k bonus = 278k</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/WhartonAlumniSurveyReport2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>[MBA</a> Salaries at the Top Business Schools](<a href=“http://www.admissionsconsultants.com/mba/compensation.asp]MBA”>Average MBA Starting Salaries at the Top Business Schools)</p>
<p>So…I’ll enjoy my overpriced undergraduate education. Thanks =)</p>
<p>Yes, but Wharton is an exception. An undergrad degree from Wharton could be considered the equivalent of a MBA from another business school. However, the same could not be said of other undergrad business schools such as Northwestern (Kellogg), Berkeley (Haas), Michigan (Ross), UVA (McIntire), and NYU (Stern).</p>
<p>Also, not everyone can get into Wharton, just like not everyone will get accepted to HYPSM. Furthermore, some people (like me) believe that undergrad is too early to sell one’s soul to the devil.</p>
<p>sell one’s soul to the devil? explain yourself.</p>
<p>also, I was talking about exclusively Wharton since I am in the Penn forum. I know that a business degree from University of Alabama isn’t worth jack.</p>