Would you bail your kids out of this

<p>'Bonnie</a> and Clyde' face up | Philadelphia Inquirer | 12/07/2007</p>

<p>A drexel student and Penn Grad live in Center City condo and live off the identity theft of others.</p>

<p>Why do parents bail their kids out of this?</p>

<p>'Bonnie and Clyde' face up
The suspects' parents were in town to bail them out and take them home.</p>

<p>By Lea Sitton Stanley</p>

<p>Inquirer Staff Writer
For Jocelyn Kirsch and Edward Anderton, it was the morning after.</p>

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<p>Yes, I would absolutely bail out my kids. Bailing them out doesn’t mean you agree with their actions. Not even close. But it does mean that you love them, even when they make mistakes. They will still have to stand trial and be accountable for their actions, and I’m sure I would have some very harsh words for them when we got home. But yes, I would be there (disappointed and sad) to support my child.</p>

<p>Yep, I would be there too. I would be STUNNED. I would be FURIOUS. But post bail? You betcha!</p>

<p>Me too! Posting bail and accepting the young adult back into the family does not in any way mitigate the ramifications of these actions, legal and otherwise.</p>

<p>Families are for support. Of course I would be heartbroken, angry, disappointed and frightened about the future for my child. </p>

<p>If jail sentences are in the offing, so be it. But bail him/her out? No brainer.</p>

<p>I would let them stew a day or two, THEN bail them out</p>

<p>and what did these parents think their kids were getting all that money?</p>

<p>would you pay for their lawyers too?</p>

<p>would you pay back any loans that they now won’t be able to?</p>

<p>I wouldn’t. I hope I’m not tested, but I don’t think I would bail my son out of jail 24 hours after he’s arrested for a greedy crime he committed. </p>

<p>call me cruel. But these 2 deserve no sympathy.</p>

<p>[LIVING</a> LARGE | Philadelphia Daily News | 12/03/2007](<a href=“http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20071203_LIVING_LARGE.html]LIVING”>http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20071203_LIVING_LARGE.html)</p>

<p>LIVING LARGE
Pair charged with profiting from identity thefts at Center City condo</p>

<p>By REGINA MEDINA
Philadelphia Daily News</p>

<p><a href="mailto:medinar@phillynews.com">medinar@phillynews.com</a> 215-854-5985</p>

<p>NOTE: THIS STORY HAS BEEN CORRECTED.</p>

<p>THE BOOK, quite telling, was found amid the newly purchased Ikea furnishings and the latest electronic appliances inside the tony Center City apartment.</p>

<p>Its title - “The Art of Cheating: A Nasty Little Book for Tricky Little Schemers and Their Hapless Victims” - may have said it all in the case of Jocelyn Kirsch and Edward K. Anderton.</p>

<p>The scheming, the trickery, the artistry described in the title, may have been used by the couple to defraud local businesses, credit-card companies, and their neighbors at the Belgravia House Condos - apparently all in the name of a lavish lifestyle.</p>

<p>Philadelphia police began to unravel the finely tuned scheme over the weekend.</p>

<p>Kirsch, 22, and Anderton, 25, both of Chestnut Street near 18th, were arrested Friday on charges of stealing some of their neighbors’ identities and establishing credit lines in their names.</p>

<p>The duo also burglarized at least two of their neighbors’ apartments and, police allege, they then faked Georgia state driver’s licenses so they could open credit card accounts.</p>

<p>Anderton and Kirsch were charged with identity theft, conspiracy, unlawful use of a computer, forgery and a slew of other offenses, said Lt. George Ondrejka of Central Detectives.</p>

<p>Kirsch, a Drexel University student who is a former member of the sorority Delta Phi Epsilon, according to a Drexel Web site, and Anderton, a 2005 University of Pennsylvania graduate who was fired from his analyst job with Lubert-Adler Real Estate Funds, had just tried to pick up a lingerie package they had ordered from England.</p>

<p>In one instance, Kirsch allegedly tried to pass a phony $1,700 check to pay for hair extensions at Giovanni & Pileggi salon, at 17th and Walnut streets.</p>

<p>Cops said the couple trotted the globe, furnished their apartment and bought the latest in electronics with their newfound credit.</p>

<p>They traveled to Paris, Hawaii, and Turks & Caicos Islands, Ondrejka said.</p>

<p>Kirsch’s walk-in closet was bursting with so many designer clothes, shoes and handbags that cops couldn’t step inside, said a police source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.</p>

<p>The couple’s living room was filled with “a lot of new stuff, Ikea, electronics,” Ondrejka said.</p>

<p>Kirsch and Anderton, who moved into the two-bedroom, $3,000-a-month rental in June, were described by a police source as the “Bonnie and Clyde of ID fraud.”</p>

<p>“There is no physical means of support,” the source said.</p>

<p>After obtaining a search warrant, cops found three safe lock boxes in their apartment and confiscated $18,000 in cash, a Rolex watch, counterfeit Georgia state driver’s licenses, credit cards in the names of neighbors, and a 2005 article from the Daily Pennsylvanian - Penn’s newspaper - on “How to Spot Fake IDs.”</p>

<p>They also found old billing statements for one neighbor and the passport of another, both apparently taken during burglaries, police said. The couple used the signature from the passport on one of the fake driver’s licenses.</p>

<p>Investigators seized four computers, including two laptops; two copiers; a scanner, and an industrial-size machine that manufactures driver’s licenses. They also found Spector spyware, which monitors computer use.</p>

<p>Police found one fake driver’s license soaking in fabric bleach to give it an aged look, they said.</p>

<p>Sometimes, the couple got really nasty.</p>

<p>When the phony $1,700 check for hair extensions was refused, someone at the salon tried to contact Kirsch by phone, then with a text message, to which Kirsch allegedly replied:</p>

<p>“Hello. You don’t know my name, but I know yours. I also know your nice place on . . . Street and how you get home at night. You’re the one who should be worried.”</p>

<p>The couple also had copies of the mailbox keys of every resident at Belgravia Condos, 1811 Chestnut, and copies of door keys to about 30 percent of the building’s apartments, the police source said. Police also found a picklock set.</p>

<p>“Once this investigation got broader and we had more tentacles in it, we realized this is bigger than we thought,” Ondrejka said.</p>

<p>He said Philadelphia Police have contacted the Secret Service and the Economic Crimes Unit at the district attorney’s office for assistance in the investigation.</p>

<p>Computer-forensics analysts will be called to look at the couple’s hard drives, he said.</p>

<p>“We’ve opened a Pandora’s box,” said the law-enforcement source.</p>

<p>Cops believe the two stole some of their neighbors’ personal information by using Spector and by breaking into their homes.</p>

<p>Most of their victims had no clue, police said.</p>

<p>Investigators have interviewed many of the building’s residents. Some detectives startled residents over the weekend with the story of the arrest, asking them, “Would you mind if we try this key in your door?” A half-dozen times, the keys worked, the police source said.</p>

<p>But at least one victim was not hapless. The woman, who had recently moved into the building from out-of-state, received a notice about her Capital One card, police said.</p>

<p>She had never applied for one.</p>

<p>The resident filed a police report about a week ago and followed up with Central Detectives last week. She had investigated her own credit and found Internet purchasing activity and new credit-card accounts.</p>

<p>She also found that thieves had opened an account in her name on Oct. 19 - nearly three weeks after she had moved in - at a UPS store on Spruce Street near 37th, the police source said.</p>

<p>When she called the UPS store, she learned that she had a package waiting from Farnborough, United Kingdom.</p>

<p>Lt. Gary Williams of the Penn police and two other Penn police officers arrested the pair.</p>

<p>Bail was set at $25,000, and Kirsch’s father came up from Winston-Salem, N.C., and paid a percentage of it. She was released about 7 a.m. yesterday; Anderton was expected to be released later, police said. Police expect to rearrest Anderton and Kirsch on burglary charges, they said. People who think they may have been victimized by the couple were asked to call police at 215-686-3093.</p>

<p>I agree Bail them out, but then they would have a public defender!</p>

<p>Actually the frightening part is UP costs a heck of a lot. I bet mom and dad spent their saving on the education</p>

<p>Reminds me a lot of the two kids who were arrested for embezzling from the Hasty Pudding Theatricals a few years back. Their parents paid the reparations, as I recall. Those kids ended up not going to jail. My guess is that these two will get some time, because there are multiple victims who will be (understandably) clamoring for blood.</p>

<p>yes, I would bail them out. I believe in our legal system (on the whole) and posting bail while awaiting trial is a part of it. I’m sure much stewing will go on, in or out of a jail cell–they’ve got a lot of consequences looming.</p>

<p>I also believe in family, and I will support mine even as I expect them to face their responsibilities. I agree, no-brainer for me.</p>

<p>Bail them out? Probably, after they sat in jail for a day or two.</p>

<p>Pay for their lawyer? Doubtful. I hope to never be in this position!!!</p>

<p>If my son was accused of something like this, I’d think either it was a false accusation or he had a brain tumor or mental illness that was affecting his behavior because the kid I know would not do something like this.</p>

<p>Knowing your son from all your reports, bethie, I am sure you are right.</p>

<p>Sounds like a good script for a made for tv movie.</p>

<p>There you go! Mom and Dad bail them out, pay for the lawyers and the kids sell the story for big $$$. Of course, the kids won’t even think that they should re-pay the folks. </p>

<p>What really irks me is, these kids went to great colleges. The old saying book smart, but not life smart is very true here. Didn’t I read somewhere he was in investments?</p>

<p>After I bailed out my kid…I would say stay away from me right now, because your father will have to bail me out for killing you…not joking!</p>

<p>Yes, I would bail them out. However, they probably would rather stay in jail than face the wrath of a very disappointed, ticked-off set of parents…</p>

<p>There is no way I would bail them out. 25 and 50 thousand you have got to be kidding me.</p>

<p>I would bail my son out, but given the nature of these offenses, that would be the end of it.</p>

<p>Lte’s change the question…WHO WOULD TALK TO THEM AFTER BAILING THEM OUT</p>

<p>I wonder whether this came as a complete shock to the parents, or whether these two had been in less serious trouble before. This was a pattern of behavior that consumed their lives completely over an extended period of time. It’s different in that way from the more usual trouble that kids get into (drunken parties, drug experimentation).</p>

<p>There are going to be so many serious charges, and so much evidence against them, that I imagine they will both go to jail for a long time.</p>