<p>how on earth does affirmative action fix anything in the long term? =</p>
<p>its time for everyone (especially certain minority groups) to step up and care about their child's education..their children is nobody's responsibility but their own...</p>
<p>LIFE IS UNFAIR....there will be poor people, uneducated people, etc...racism will always exist...etc</p>
<p>its on the individual communities to care where their children end up...if a parent wants their child to go to college, trust me, that parent will do what it takes to get their child there...</p>
<p>i'm not blaming minorities but they're still responsible...</p>
<p>if you spill milk on the carpet on accident, does that clear you of the responsibility?</p>
<p>no </p>
<p>so if you dont take care of your child's education bc you dont know any better, then thats an unfortunate reality that takes more to fix than a law.</p>
<p>Umm i am sure they CAN, but not many WILL!
By your logic, ANYTHING CAN happen, we can't deny that. Hey i mean there's a chance that those people will, but the probability of that is slim! i mean how likely is it that someone who doesn't do well in school will do well in real world? sure you'll pick out a few cases to try to prove me wrong: i.e. Donald Trump. But if you look around in the world, MOST successful people have done well in school and on their SATs ;)</p>
<p>To be completely honest, affirmative action has happened to late. The damage has already been done. In any cases it is too liberal and should be reduced to the people who deserve it and not to the people who take advantage of it. </p>
<p>Children should be accepted on what they have achieved against their potential. Not on things they are completely out of their control. Which includes being subjected to single parents, hunger and poor support. </p>
<p>I've already said that certain minority groups need to step up and do something for themselves and labeling themselves as victims of * you insert here* but if they are being pushed down how can that happen? </p>
<p>In the end, why does it have to be certain communities, we as Americans should unite together. Not draw lines and put people into certain categories. (Not talking about College Admissions) We as humans have more things in common than we have that are different.</p>
<p>If you spill milk on the carpet then yes you are accountable. But if someone finally spilled that milk after 15 years of getting punched in the face and thrown around compared to someone that had a cup with a lid who sat down for 15 years and didnt spill the milk. Who would you pick to be on your team?</p>
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<p>Bad argument. How can you possibly ask immigrant parents to take care of their childs education when they cant even support their own family? Many of them have 2 jobs and force their children to work. On top of that, cultural difference play a big factor as many hispanics males are forced to take a job right out of high school and girls have to do stereotypical house chores, school work, and arent allowed to care for their school as many hispanics dont believe that their child will go off to college. Um hello homegurl, wake up and stop being ignorant!</p>
<p>I know a family right now who owns a restaurant. These kids (11-17 yrs old.) work almost 80-100 hour weeks. They do well in school but not as well as they could if they didn't work. If were an admissions officer and they applied and had a 2100 SAT compared to someone who never worked a day in their life with a 2400. I would pick the 2100 with no second thought needed. </p>
<p>Affirmative action would work in this case because that kid who got accepted would hopefully never let his/her children suffer the same way they did. That's the way that AA could work.</p>
<p>Grades are not everything. The will to suceed should be the key.</p>
<p>I'm curious what's the argument against kids who are subjected to extremely unjust situations that are beyond their control that work against them?</p>
<p>I agree with you TehRahk. I was going to mention that thats the reason why colleges have now taken a holistic approach @ admissions. Its necessary to take into consideration an applicant's circumstances.</p>
<p>^that doesn't only go for minorities, it goes for all imigrants!
Now i agree on the cultural differences playing a role.</p>
<p>But that aspect of their culture is not suppose to be used as an excuse, rather than continually using the handicap that colleges provide for them, they should try to CHANGE their culture and gear it more toward education and progress.</p>
<p>Now, colleges have given them a easier ticket in for many years, and there has been some progress, but that's gotta stop, because it's becoming unfair to many deserving students! Also, giving minorities a easier way in to college has been observed that many people know about this phenomenom. Think about the standard that it sets. Some minorities get the idea that they don't need that good of a grade or score to get in to elite schools and they won't work as hard, and this is something that worsens the situation. It's almost like if the due date of your assignment has been extended by 3 months, would you start on the same day as you would have were it not extended? Personally I wouldn't!</p>
<p>You cannot hold a single person accountable for entire group of people. I don't see how anyone could think that's okay. </p>
<p>It's no secret, poor minority culture that is today is a complete lie and different from what it used to be. It needs a DRASTIC and IMMEDIATE change. But you cannot hold someone accountable for entire culture/community. It is no individual community problem, it's everyone's problem and we have separated people into useless catagories. United we stand and separated we will fall. If we continue to separate people, then this unjustice against everyone will continue. </p>
<p>The will to suceed and what level they have achieve against their potential is what admissions should focus on. This excludes all lazy students and students who take advantage of Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>Surely, immigrant parents do not have much luxury time. But I am sure many working parents do not have much more time than they do.</p>
<p>Many of my friends' parents (Asian-Americans) work at nail salons, dry cleaners, convenient stores, and etc. But their kids successfully graduate hs and most of them go to Ivy schools and other top colleges. And this isn't rare among particular immigrant groups in the U.S.</p>
<p>Not all immigrants end up in ghettos for their lives. Some actually TRY. But those who try are discriminated by the system intended to help them. Sadly those who are lazy and ignorant take advantage of it.</p>
<p>To those particular group of minority immigrants, it is insulting to say that they have become successful because of such and such policy.</p>
<p>No, they earned it.</p>
<p>Some sit around and complain all day. They call for hatred...it's disgustingly lazy</p>
<p>Many Asian-Americans feel offended when the majority think what we have achieved was not all so possible without affirmative action and such and such policies...</p>
<p>I am sure that kid who got rejected from Yale and sued the univ. later on shares the same view.</p>
<p>wow, that has to be the most prejudice thing i have heard in a while. How can you possibly come on here and compare minorities to say that Asian Americans are above any other minority group? Sure they are the most successful but in case you forgot, Asian Americans are no longer considered a minority group in admissions. As I previously stated, admissions considers an individual's circumstances, its not going to be strictly stereotypical and say "well, im going to accept hispanics or blacks because they tend to be poor" PEOPLE, THATS WHY THEY HAVE ESSAYS!</p>
<p>Why dont you go to bed or something foo, or think of something better to write on here.</p>
<p>The parents ARE responsible, the only way to make them feel responsible is to put social pressure on them. Force them to become better parents. Which means everyone as a whole and not just the people in that community/culture etc. </p>
<p>I am against a black student getting in with lower holistic achievements than a white student with higher achievement if they are of the same resource level. That should never happen and that's when AA makes people lazy and is unfair to everyone.</p>
<p>""Bad argument. How can you possibly ask immigrant parents to take care of their childs education when they cant even support their own family? Many of them have 2 jobs and force their children to work."""</p>
<p>lol! are you serious? how can i ask them to take care of their child's education? are you saying that their child's education shouldn't matter to them? EVERYONE HAS TO SUPPORT A FAMILY. everyone has to work and find time for their children...every family puts priority on different things. are your parents immigrants?</p>
<p>and tehrakh..you make some very good points, but do you seriously think that america will ever unite on this? everyone is out to better themselves, let alone their own communites, let alone give a crap about the rest of americans....each minority group wants whats best for their minority group and unity among all americans is just a good idea...i'm not fortune teller but i dont see that in the near future..sry for the pessimistic truth</p>
<p>exactly...AA sends out the wrong message...in fact, it is degrading to people of color bc it lets them think their skin color will come to the rescue...</p>
<p>i think if anything should exist, there should be affirmative action based on family income, resources, and how the student used the few resources she or he had...</p>
<p>black white yellow brown. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER</p>
<p>I only hate the fact that so many people take advantage of AA say for example an upper-middle class Jamaican family who classify themselves as African American</p>