Affirmative Action?

<p>Augh.... this is getting annoying and laughable. People, c'mon now... </p>

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are you saying that their child's education shouldn't matter to them? EVERYONE HAS TO SUPPORT A FAMILY

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yes, they support the family FINANCIALLY, but at times, they may not have the time to cater to a childs education because its obvious that having the basic necessities is more important. Open up your mind a little bit...</p>

<p>AA will exist as long as legacy admissions exist, because everyone on these boards recognize that legacy admissions caters to whites only.</p>

<p>canada</p>

<p>dont think your racist but its more about certain minorities lacking resources that make them seem stupid...its trying to give them a chance..good intentions HORRIBLE SOLUTION</p>

<p>mojojojo are your parents immigrants?</p>

<p>yes, they are lol</p>

<p>i'm not saying their situation isn't rough..but if the family isn't responsible. who is....</p>

<p>Of course, that's the truth. It would be very hard for America to unite as one and help each other out. But now we have identified the main (if not the main, then crucial) problem. I'm a firm believer that you cannot complain about a problem if you try nothing to solve it. </p>

<p>Personally I would be embarassed if I were hired for a job solely on the basis of my skin color. Judge me on what I can command with my abilities and have achieved.</p>

<p>I think it's bunk. It's simply hypocritical to fight for equal rights in every other walk of life but special treatment when it comes to college admission. I understand giving extra consideration to people because of a poor financial background but doing it because they're a different race is absolutely ridiculous. Affirmative Action segregates our country more than it intergrates it.</p>

<p>Its hard to say because the family supports themselves financially as a unit, but when it comes to education, its individualistic. Alot of immigrants who come to this country (NOT ALL PEOPLE, SO DONT QUOTE ME) are uneducated and many of them did not even complete high school. So if they didnt go to college, why should their child? Thats the mindset of some parents. Im not saying this is how my circumstance was, but I know of several of my classmates who were raised like that.</p>

<p>Well whatever you guys believe, I personally think Affirmative Action gets more to do with fair representation of all races rather than imposing racist acts on minorities.</p>

<p>ooour country mr canada? lol jk</p>

<p>tehrahk? are you making a reference to the capital of iran?</p>

<p>-Affirmative action is nothing more than the logic that certain minorities are stupid. End of story. I'm not racist, I'm realist.-</p>

<p>How can you say that? Disadvantaged definitely, but stupid? I believe not. </p>

<p>However AA does give across the logic that you are a victim of something, which makes ONLY some minorities lazy.</p>

<p>IloveCali- no, haha, I mispelled my screenname, and it stuck. I didn't even know the capital of Iran was Tehran.</p>

<p>Well my name is a little misleading, I'm originally from Texas and I moved to Canada in middle school and now I'm in Texas again. Affirmative Action doesn't exist in Canada because everybody's white.</p>

<p>This debate is very biased..</p>

<p>Advantaged group (Whites, Asians, High-Income Class) will always oppose the Affirmative Action, while the disadvantaged group (Hispanics, Blacks, Low-Income Class) will always advocate for it.</p>

<p>Obviously, no one wants his/her own group getting hurt. There is no definite "right" or "wrong" in this debate. Advantanged group will call this racist against them, while the disadvantaged group will call this a "movement toward eqal opportunity for all races".</p>

<p>""I think minority people do not perform well because they live in poorer conditions is quite absurd...and Asian-Americans proved it to be wrong."</p>

<p>Cultural limitations > economic limitations. </p>

<p>As far as I can tell, Asian culture is rooted in a strong work ethic. Which is why a tiny island with little to none natural resources can overcome the greatest single event of violence in the history of the world to become one of the world's economic superpowers. Even without any sort of territorial expansion. </p>

<p>Now, contrast that with modern day Africa and you'll understand my point."</p>

<p>I completely agree with you, and just to add to this, many people don't realize the grave ramifications of slavery. Africans that came here were stripped of their culture, disenfranchised, and indoctrinated to believe that they were less than human.</p>

<p>Affirmative Action based on financial situation and other certain socioeconomic factors (very small percentage based on race ) would be far better than solely based on race. </p>

<p>Affirmative Action based solely on race makes people lazy and is embarrassing to the minorities that recieve it.</p>

<p>How can you enforce equal rights without equal opportunity?</p>

<p>I stated earlier that financial background should be given more consideration than ones minority status. I think it's ridiculous that black people from reasonably well off families get into top colleges despite not being as qualified as some white applicants that get rejected. It's because of this that I believe Affirmative Action is the logic that some minorities are inherently stupid, what else could it be?</p>

<p>I think it was said best in Dan Jenkins' book "Semi-Tough":</p>

<p>The trouble with the world is not that a black person can't get in a restaurant somewhere. The trouble is that a black person can't get thrown out.</p>

<p>^Think about that. (hint: it's not meant to be racist)</p>

<p>Some of the smartest people I've ever met are black. I guess nobody gave them the memo that they're allowed to underachieve because of their skin color. Once again, I believe ones financial background has a MUCH greater effect on their ability to learn and thrive than their minority status.</p>

<p>Oh god, they're going to delete my account now. hahahaha</p>

<p>Yeah, AA is an unfair thing.</p>

<p>We'll never know for sure how much AA affects one's chances of admissions. Adcoms definitely look for "diversity" (skin/ethnic-related diversity) though IMO, although I really haven't heard of undergraduate schools flat out calling it "affirmative action", they do a good job of sugar-coating it and making it sound like "diversity" and not racial-bias.</p>

<p>There should only be AA for economic reasons. If i'm a minority and I get accepted into any school I want it to be because of my merits and my hard work, not because of where I was born, because of where I lived, or because I'm black/white/purple/orange or green.</p>

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I stated earlier that financial background should be given more consideration than ones minority status.

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<p>unfortunately, that's not how the system works. They have Need-based Financial Aid System to help the financially disadvantaged students, but the AA is solely for the fair representation of all RACES, regardless of their financial situation. AA is imposed for the purpose of diversifying the campus, not for the purpose of helping the povertized students.;</p>