Affirmative Action?

<p>When upper class black people are held to the high standards that their white peers are, then that's when AA gives the notion that blacks are inherently stupid. </p>

<p>" I think it was said best in Dan Jenkins' book "Semi-Tough":</p>

<p>The trouble with the world is not that a black person can't get in a restaurant somewhere. The trouble is that a black person can't get thrown out. " </p>

<p>I like that quote, because this reminds me of the Michael Richards incident. Before he went on his racial slur tirade, he should have asked the black people that were heckling either to leave or hush up. </p>

<p>I feel that no one told them to shut up because they were afraid to be called a racist. But if you stand firmly against the reason you gave then no one could have good reason to believe that you are a racist.</p>

<p>Now we see the consequence that erupted from that situation.</p>

<p>AA should be based on financial situation,resources and other eco/socio factors. With race being a smaller factor.</p>

<p>jslee1026: i think you're just a brunch of croch for coming on here and touting that asians are superior. I mean, if you're going to say something like that, atleast have some logical explanation as to why you believe so. I, myself, am asian but there is no scientific or logical evidence, thus far, supporting the reason for the overpopulation of asians in school.</p>

<p>thats not true at all. according to that dhl, i suppport AA, which i told..</p>

<p>in fact i notice white people feel pressured to support it! whites dont like arguing against it in order to avoid sounding racist lol the whole stigma on the topic is silly</p>

<p>Well there's no secret why Asians have the highest standardized test scores and GPA's. They do the most homework and watch the less tv. </p>

<p>I believe that white people feel pressure to support it too. "White Guilt" by Shelby Steele explains " How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era." I've read it and elucidates the problem that everyone thinks but are unable to effectively communicate.</p>

<p>If one is forced to support something, he/she isn't supporting it for real.</p>

<p>tell that to guilty white people</p>

<p>Hey Nguyen,</p>

<p>I did not mean to offend you.</p>

<p>But you seem to have a selective hearing only to say something personal back to me.</p>

<p>I meant to say that the affirmative action and other such policies fight against the racism in America and they intend to promote a diversity among the American society when in fact the programs themselves discriminate against the people whom they intend to help.</p>

<p>Moreover, I do not understand how the affirmative action in particular does little to the Asian-Americans.</p>

<p>Lastly, I meant to say that when people consider minority immigrants inferior to them and degrade their achievements because of those programs like AA, I feel disgusted. How I was talking about Asian-Americans and their achievements in education was just an example to prove that minority people do not solely depend on such programs like AA.</p>

<p>Everybody assumes I am asian. Even when I tell them I am not they insist I am. :)</p>

<p>(Just wanted to lighten the mood)</p>

<p>A great story on YouTube </p>

<p>check this one out</p>

<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlC_qQclMzA%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlC_qQclMzA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>USA Demographic (2004):</p>

<p>White: > 80%
Blacks: 13%
Asians: < 5%
Native Americans: 1%
People of Hispanic Origin: 15%</p>

<p>Average College Demographic:</p>

<p>Asians: 20%
Blacks: < 10%</p>

<p>Not to mention in California, Asians take up to 40~50% of the entire campus population. </p>

<p>See the unfair representation of races?
AA doesn't get to do anything with racism. Colleges limit the population of Whites and Asians to bring in more Blacks for the sake of fair representation.</p>

<p>all i have to say is this:</p>

<p>go asians!</p>

<p>(note: i'm not asian)</p>

<p>w00t go asians</p>

<p>(note: i'm asian)</p>

<p>First of all I would like to say that I do not agree with Affirmative Action because I do not think it is fair. I do agree with programs to improve the access to higher education for all, especially those vulnerable groups that are economically and socially disadvantaged. </p>

<p>But that is actually not why I am writing this post. I am writing this post in reaction to some of the very hateful rhetoric that I have been reading in this thread in these past few days. It is absolutely appalling to me to see some of the things that you all are saying out of resentment and anger. </p>

<p>The stories that some of you have mentioned about how hard you and your families have worked when coming to this country and the pride you feel in all that you accomplished is truly inspiring. But why do you have to raise yourselves up by putting others down? Who are you to judge? What good does it do? </p>

<p>I am talking about these comments:</p>

<p>Ilovecalifornia: “while i admit that african-americans are at a disadvantage, i think it comes down to the culture...when a community (any community) has mothers who choose to strip and take the easy route to make money, irresponsible fathers who are absent in their children's life, etc etc then you have a cultural problem…”</p>

<p>Baseless, hateful, stereotype.</p>

<p>Jslee1026:“Not all immigrants end up in ghettos for their lives. Some actually TRY. But those who try are discriminated by the system intended to help them. Sadly those who are lazy and ignorant take advantage of it.”</p>

<p>The problem of Ghettos is a deeper socioeconomic problem that is completely different and separate from those that immigrants face. </p>

<p>TehRahk: “The trouble with the world is not that a black person can't get in a restaurant somewhere. The trouble is that a black person can't get thrown out. "
I like that quote, because this reminds me of the Michael Richards incident. Before he went on his racial slur tirade, he should have asked the black people that were heckling either to leave or hush up.
I feel that no one told them to shut up because they were afraid to be called a racist. But if you stand firmly against the reason you gave then no one could have good reason to believe that you are a racist.
Now we see the consequence that erupted from that situation.”</p>

<p>Is this anything else but a justification of a completely disgusting racial explosion of racial slurs? I have never attended a comedy club where a comedian was not heckled at some point. Sometimes even worse than the Michael Richard’s incident. But does that heckling justify his racial slur? Would he have been called racist for asking hecklers to leave to club? I highly doubt that.</p>

<p>Let me share with you my personal experience as a minority in the k-12 educational system. Not every minority experiences this kind of racism but this is still prevalent, even today. This is the story of a the systematic marginalization of a student because of their race. And no this story is not that uncommon, it may not be as extreme as this but African-American, Latino and Native American youth still face tremendous difficulties in the school system because of these stereotypes. This happens to poor, Caucasian youth as well. Then add to this the problems that they face outside of school with higher incidence of poverty and all its socioeconomic ramifications, this truly is a problem in our school systems. I am not saying that Asian American immigrants do not face the same problems too, but I just want those of you who have such hateful stereotypes against these groups.</p>

<p>No I do not believe that affirmative action is the solution. But I do think its great to see initiatives to help those in need get access to higher education .</p>

<p>Most of my elementary school was in rural Minnesota where my family was the only black family in the neighborhood. We are not African-American, we are Liberian immigrants who fled the civil war and were granted asylum here. My teachers rarely spoke to me directly (never with my other classmates, Caucasian and Asian), routinely made me an example of mockery to the other classmates and actively encouraged my isolation from the rest of the students. I got Es on my report card, each quarter.</p>

<p>Now, after getting out of that school and after some remedial work at subsequent schools, I was reading at a 9th grade reading level in the 4th grade and was taking high school courses in middle school. So do you think at that time my grade point average was truly reflective of the student I was in side? No. Although I do not believe in Affirmative action I believe that those from educationally disadvantaged backgrounds, if given some remediation truly excel.</p>

<p>That’s my story. I know so many more minorities with similar stories. Or stories of having to work to help make ends meet for their families. </p>

<p>If an admissions committee reads an essay like that and decides to give that candidate preference becase of thier essay (not necessarily their race), I enthusiastically support that. I believe that everyone deserves access to higher education and it is up to those admissions committees to determine who those people are. It is tough when you are not admitted to the school of your choice but please do not be so quick to point to affirmative action being the reason for your rejection because there may have been other factors at play.</p>

<p>Thanks for reading.</p>

<p>I just wanted to add that though my responses may be deemed by some as overly harsh or sensitive, I am glad we were able to have this dialogue and thanks for starting this discussion.</p>

<p>I appreciate the fact that we can talk openly about such a controversial and emotionally charged issue. Thanks to everyone for thier responses.</p>

<p>vcoleman,</p>

<p>That is it. I do not support affirmative action not because I do not want to see such programs that intend to help disadvantaged people but because I believe the program is paradoxical and it unintentionally creates more confusion.</p>

<p>Fighting for equal rights with a program that blatantly discriminates certain groups of people is ironical and absurd.</p>

<p>Yes, I agree with you on essay part.</p>

<p>But statistics have shown that certain groups of people do get admitted with below the average credentials.</p>

<p>Can anyone refute those numbers?</p>

<p>Jslee1026,</p>

<p>I have already said I do not support Affirmative Action so I do not see the point in getting into a discussion or debate over statistics. </p>

<p>It was my hope that my posting would promote dialogue rather than argument or debate.</p>

<p>Perhaps it would be better for you to talk this over with someone who was actually a supporter of Affirmative Action which clearly I am not. </p>

<p>That is not to say I agree with you however. I find it hard to agree with someone who makes degrading generalizations about a whole population of people you clearly know very little about. Not to mention someone who clearly idealizes one group in the expense of others.</p>

<p>The irony here is that Affirmative Action seeks to bring diversity so that people like you who hold those types of views could interact with people of different ethnicities to challenge your stereotypes and encourage understanding.</p>

<p>But even with your stereotypical arguments, we can all clearly see that affirmative action is a failed policy. Because despite its good intentions, its causing many people anger and resentment.</p>

<p>You are here as proof of that.</p>

<p>Its causing anger and resentment because the dominant group in society (whites) cant stand that the minority group (colored) are getting the advantage in the admissions process. However, i dont see any minority groups complaining here about legacy admissions because then we would see some ignorant white kids up on here supporting it.</p>

<p>Of course I wasnt defending what Michael Richards said, I was just saying it didn't have to escalate that high. I was very angry when I heard what he did.</p>

<p>Agreed, I see no minorities complain about legacy admissions either.</p>

<p>mojojojo that is far from the case...congrats on coming up with the most obvious oversimplification...</p>

<p>minorities may not complain about legacy bc it is not directly racist like AA</p>

<p>AA isnt racist, quit trippin! its helping out females like yourself.</p>