affirmative Action

<p>NOPE
unc is the only school i have been deferred from. I am not whining, but merely trying to make sense of what happened to me, some of my friends, people i know, and the general population.</p>

<p>@ (whatever poster)
It is not so bad that my spot "MAY" (as you said) been have taken from an equally qualified white candidate, but by a far less qualified (they told me themselves) "underrepresented" minority who is probably also very lazy and wealthy. </p>

<p>How can they truly be underrepresented? Their number is 4, 5, 6 times that of Asians in probably any school out there. You can't penalize Asi ns for not having the 'strength in numbers' in the US. Moreover, almost all asians who worked hard to get here were in the top of their groups and had their "****" together before coming here. Compare that to the strength in numbers of African Americans and Hispanics who got here by default, no work, or illegal immigr. Percentage, if you have learned Statistics, is just not a fair way to say who is overrepresented or under-. </p>

<p>I am not trying to get offensive or too broad with this topic, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT!</p>

<p>and by the way, EC's would not be a criteria for affirmative action. Know your stuff before.</p>

<p>Well I'm black and I'm fine with AA :-). I would have most likely got into the schools I've gotten into anyways, but hey if they want to give it to me then fine.</p>

<p>leetxy i agree. AMERICA is NOT ASIA, so DUH the % of asians, hispanics, etc. is NOT going to match the % of caucasians. it just baffles me how some people cant comprehend that.</p>

<p>you all might find this interesting <a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eoir/pdfs/cds2007-2008.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~oir/pdfs/cds2007-2008.pdf&lt;/a> (look at the chart (C7) on pgs. 8 & 9)...</p>

<p>leetxy and lulu, schools don't try and make their population percentages equal for all races. </p>

<p>They do however, try to make them more representative of what percentages actually make up the united states. It is by this standard that they operate affirmative action. </p>

<p>Asians make up something like 4% of the US. If you compare that to college statistics, asians are grossly "overrepresented", which is why you sometimes hear about asians being at a disadvantage during the admissions process.</p>

<p>Blacks, however, make up around 11% of the american population. However, you will see that most universities have less than 11% black enrollment, sometimes significantly less. </p>

<p>Percentages are all proportional. No one is penalized for not having "strength in numbers"; the more of a race there is, the more spots available there are, but the more competition there is. The same is true for the opposite. To say that the "underrepresented minority is probably lazy and wealthy" is presumptuous and insensitive to most disadvantaged minorities' backgrounds. They usually underrepresented for a reason.</p>

<p>what is sad about this whole thread is this, we should all be able to say we got into a school without the "hook" and many cannot. I am for equality, for fairness and even though we heard all about minority disadvantages, there are many other types of disadvantages no one discusses.<br>
So should you get special treatment if you kid gets into an oos school and you make enough to pay your bills but not enough for tuition? the limits on financial aid are discriminating. a very qualified girl from my kids school had to turn down vandy because they own a house and make decent money but how do you pay for that tuition and still pay your bills. many think that if you make more than 100,000 you are rich but that is far from true if you have 3 kids and try to pay your bills on time! </p>

<p>It is time to have apps that do not ask for race, sex, or even where you parents went to school. this whole legacy thing is even discriminating. why don't you get into school based on just YOU.</p>

<p>I would like to think that aa has not helped me or my siblings but it probably has. but the good thing is that i think our stats were good enough without it?
but we will never know will we?</p>

<p>if affirmative action was in effect I would have gotten into UNC. I have a 3.5 gpa a little bit of ec's and my essays were ok,but that's life. (African-American BTW)</p>

<p>Yes, you are.</p>

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Leetxy</p>

<p>I am not trying to get offensive or too broad with this topic

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<p>most state funded college try to match the population dynamics. I know many AA's from my school(well...4 students) who had very low stats compared to mine who got in in early or reg....and i was defered then waitlisted...
O well thats life ...(BTW I'm Indian)...they try to keep 2% indians at chapel hilll as the US and NC has abt 2% Indians(Indian American)...
But I dont blame UNC for this...Even though Im an immigrant I would say that such actions must be taken by gov't or state funded colleges so that the natives get more opprtunities at higher quality education.</p>

<p>Although when Im talking to my parents or friends I do get frustrated that I didnt get in because of such reason. But, then I think wait!...I was competing Indians..not all students....and my STATS were definitely not as good as many other indian students I know. :)</p>