<p>Although your chances may be low, if you really want to go there you should apply. These schools want a well rounded class and if you have good EC's or if you write a solid essay or if your parents donate millions to the school, you're not completely f**<em>d. I mean, you'll never know if you don't apply, so why not. Don't let the cr</em>ps on this website discourge you.</p>
<p>don't apply unless the application is free. Otherwise you'd be better off investing in lottery tickets.</p>
<p>Don't say that, yoyoma. There are more than 13,000 students at Cornell and more than 20% of them get lower than 1,200 in SATI. Don't be afraid and show yourself. You are not the person to determine if you will be admitted, nor me. Let the admissions officers decide the rest for you!</p>
<p>By my calculations, you have a 19.3% chance of getting in.</p>
<p>What are YOUR calculations Captain Matthew?
Please.. do enlighten us all!</p>
<p>I wonder... If even the adcom knows exactly what they want.. Doesn't it depend on case to case.. and year by year...?</p>
<p>Obviously strong applicants are accepted.. But, doesn't the measure of a "strong" applicant depend on the adcom officer reading the application, what they are looking for at the present moment, and even on their mood and the weather...and perhaps, also on the applications that come directly before the one they read, and the ones that come directly after...?!?!
Although selection is definitely not just left up to random chance, isn't it true that there is no fixed 'ideal' applicant that they are choosing.. So everyone is up for grabs and everyone is vulnerable. </p>
<p>So.... Would I be foolish to assume that if we are all in fact even the least bit qualified for our first choice universities, then, for some of us that get accepted, these first-choice schools were pre-determined for us, and for some others that are also accepted, it is an interesting amalgamation of luck, chance and whatever else that we are selected to the places we want to go most... If that makes sense...</p>
<p>And for those that are not granted admission... Should we think that we are most fortunate...because, perhaps, the school we thought we loved most, would turn out to be something rather different from what we had hoped it would be... So, it is of our BEST interest that we go somewhere else that will end up being definitely more fulfilling...</p>
<p>For those of us that get accepted to our first choice universities, it would mean that this is where we were meant to be from the start. And it wouldn't have mattered whether we had those perfect 1600's or a mediocre 1300......all A's or a generous sprinkling of B's....whether we were the valedictorians or a less 'shining' star with a not-so-impressive-rank...the most compassionate community service worker, best rower, most talented violinist OR just a regular kid with no amazing gifts that can be shown in sport or the arts.....</p>
<p>And for those that find themselves elsewhere, it must have turned out for the best :) Because it is in the best of their interest.. And no matter what the future will ALWAYS be bright....</p>
<p>id be willing to bet my life that this guy doesnt get inot an ivy business school, yea their might be 1/2 that slip by with this supposed 1100 but i dont think this guy has a chance,right now he has an 80%, to be one of those 1/2 that slip by you have to have atleast a higher than average sat(1500) or a higher than average gpa(98%) and he doesnt have either,save yourself the money and buy a car and then transfer from a cc, good lcuk</p>
<p>i dont even know what you're trying to say justperfect</p>
<p>yea, agreeing with above, if you look for schools that dont ask for freshman year at all (such as stanford, there arent even any checkboxes for 9th grade ECs), and you bring up that SAT about 300 pts (which might be a little too much considering you got an 800 once) you might have a chance at a lower ivy-caliber school if you have nice ECs.</p>
<p>so which schools do u consider as "lower ivy-caliber school "</p>
<p>cornell, brown, georgetown, vassar, etc</p>
<p>georgetown and vassar aren't ivy league</p>
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There are more than 13,000 students at Cornell
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That's the TOTAL number of students attending Cornell, including Freshmen, Sophmores, Juniors, and Seniors. The incoming Freshmen class is only 3200 strong - nearly 4x smaller than what you report.</p>
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and more than 20% of them get lower than 1,200 in SATI.
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But they usually have redeeming qualities such as high grades, extenuating circumstances, URM status, or incredible ECs(sports, playing at Carnegie Hall, etc.).</p>
<p>From what the poster has presented, he has neither of those.</p>
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You are not the person to determine if you will be admitted, nor me. Let the admissions officers decide the rest for you!
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The admissions officers' decision will closely reflect what others have said already: he has little chance of being accepted.</p>
<p>hence i said lower-ivy CALIBER</p>
<p>stanfords not ivy but its better than columbia, dartmouth, brown, and cornell</p>
<p>i like stanford</p>
<p>i'd dispute that... how is stanford better than columbia... or even certain parts of cornell for that matter?</p>
<p>i guess by better he means harder to get into. cornell is notoriously hard academically</p>
<p>stanford has the #2 ranked engineering program according to US News. coupled with a great liberal arts program, that makes it better than cornell and columbia, overall. i suppose if you nitpick into specific programs, you could argue otherwise, but schools like purdue manage to get ranked #2 at specialties. stanford is in the same league as harvard and yale, and student life is better than both.</p>
<p>student life..meaning?</p>
<p>such as sports teams worth rooting for, a nicer climate. after this it becomes personal preference, really. (like atmosphere, architecture, city/rural, greek life)</p>
<p>well my preference would be stanford over anything else (including harvard, yale)</p>
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i'd dispute that... how is stanford better than columbia... or even certain parts of cornell for that matter?
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<p>Haha, I can't believe you said that. S is on a whole other plane compared to the non-HYP ivies.</p>