<p>the fact is that UCs want more "minorities" in their campus...everyone knows this. They don't want anymore whites or asians. they want blacks, hispanics and american indians. so in a sense, yes, affirmative action still exists, just not in the books. if you don't want to accept this you either don't understand the process or are ignorant.</p>
<p>also keep the lecture concerning bigotry to yourself please. I, or anybody in this board, could care less about your pointless "rants".</p>
<p>Citan, are you for or against the UCs favoring URM off the books?</p>
<p>My friend got in UCI biological science on the very first day with a 3.8. I'm still waiting. :(</p>
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the fact is that UCs want more "minorities" in their campus...everyone knows this. They don't want anymore whites or asians. they want blacks, hispanics and american indians. so in a sense, yes, affirmative action still exists, just not in the books. if you don't want to accept this you either don't understand the process or are ignorant.</p>
<p>also keep the lecture concerning bigotry to yourself please. I, or anybody in this board, could care less about your pointless "rants".
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<p>So UCI with the highest Asian demographics compared to all other UCs and their almost 50% Asian population went and decided to accept me and two of my friends the first 2 days acceptances were sent. We're all Asian. Yes that shows that "they don't want anymore whites or asians."</p>
<p>I have not been feeling the atmosphere on CC lately. There is too much hatred and criticisms toward each other because we have to be politically correct. Please tone down the PMS with some Midol. Thank you.</p>
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<p>It's cause some people can't admit the facts and try to find excuses or blame someone or something just because they haven't been accepted yet. They need to learn that we're not adcoms here. We're students like themselves still waiting for our results too or students that have been successful and are here to help us.</p>
<p>UC</a> Applicant Demographics
That shows the demographics of people that apply to UCs. Whites and Asians make up almost 64%. So with 40% Asian at UCR, almost 50% at UCI, and I believe it's around 40% for UCB and UCLA. I don't see how they're giving anyone priority because they're a racial "minority". Stop complaining and wait for your results. If you don't get in sorry it's not our faults on CC, it's life. Get over it cause life is all about disappointments. If you're not mature enough to accept that fact, in my opinion, you're not mature enough to be at a university.</p>
<p>yeah i agreee CC is helpful, but there are some douche bags on here that have a power trip or criticize others for no reason...very annoying. mostl ikely immature idiots who are still in HS</p>
<p>to citan and his opponents:</p>
<p>i already had a huge argument on this subject, I being on citan's side that affrimative action can never go away as long as the theme of diversity is still one of the UC's goals. just because they passed a law against it doesnt mean they will all of a sudden stop doing it. Before whatever prop was passed in the 90s, affrimative action was out of control, huge inequitys were played for minorities (asians are minorities too, but i guess since they actually study they get grouped in with white people). As much as a full grade point was awarded to "people of color". if UCs were this adamant before the law was passed, why would they all of a sudden cease in all ways, shapes, and forms after the fact?</p>
<p>On another note, i have a friend with a 3.72 psyc major who received his admitance notice within the third day.</p>
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Before whatever prop was passed in the 90s, affrimative action was out of control, huge inequitys were played for minorities (asians are minorities too, but i guess since they actually study they get grouped in with white people).
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<p>im saying most of them dont, why do you think they do?</p>
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im saying most of them dont, why do you think they do?
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<p>maybe you need to brush up on your logical skills iamapprehensive.....just because you were accepted and you happen to be asian, it doesn't prove a thing...I have known people (from minority families i.e. not Asian and Whites in CA) with below average GPA who happened to be from middle class families get into UCLA...now that, without implicit affirmative action, wouldn't happen if the decision was solely on their merits or socioeconomic background. It's like the drive for some colleges, engineering colleges for example, to bring in more women students to maintain a certain status quo. they would never say that "we are going to enforce" this law...but will always say that "women and minorities" etc. are "encouraged" to apply....and when the decision time comes, that factor will play a huge role whether or not he or she will be admitted. So to say that some sort of affirmative action doesn't exist at all is blatantly false....of course if you are on the side which benefits from it, it would be hard to see it. But it does exist.</p>
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<p>WingZer0, what facts do you base these observations from?</p>
<p>to kudos:</p>
<p>hastly generalizations? ok how this, can we all agree on the whole, african americans and hispanics have a significant deviation from that of white and asian students? ( if we can't agree on that, then... i dont know what to say)</p>
<p>Now assuming the above is true, that leads to many variables as to why. One could say they just don't study, which can stem from a series of socioeconomic factors, IE they are poor and their parents do not have the education to encourage education. I'm not saying that that isn't factor, its a big factor. what im saying is that they dont study, because they arent acustomed to studying which is reflective of their grades. You can accept that idea, or that they are genetically inferior, or whatever else you can come up with, but for the sake of argument, im just going to stick with they dont study.</p>
<p>now the point of affirmative action is to balance this socioeconomic inequity. but in doing so, it actually creates inequity to those who actually work hard and do study. if anything it is the UC's making these generalizations and i see it as a path toward nothingness. No longer are we trying to be the BEST, for how can we when space is made for the weak for the simple fact that they are weak?</p>
<p>bottomline. affirmative action trys to make life happy and good and perfect and equal when life simply at times is unfair.</p>
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maybe you need to brush up on your logical skills iamapprehensive.....just because you were accepted and you happen to be asian, it doesn't prove a thing...I have known people (from minority families i.e. not Asian and Whites in CA) with below average GPA who happened to be from middle class families get into UCLA...now that, without implicit affirmative action, wouldn't happen if the decision was solely on their merits or socioeconomic background. It's like the drive for some colleges, engineering colleges for example, to bring in more women students to maintain a certain status quo. they would never say that "we are going to enforce" this law...but will always say that "women and minorities" etc. are "encouraged" to apply....and when the decision time comes, that factor will play a huge role whether or not he or she will be admitted. So to say that some sort of affirmative action doesn't exist at all is blatantly false....of course if you are on the side which benefits from it, it would be hard to see it. But it does exist.
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<p>I'm not on the side that benefits it. I'm Asian and apparently there's too many Asians in the UC system already. I see your point but it's more than a conspiracy theory at the most. And you believe the whole application process is based on merits like your GPA or your extracurriculars. Don't you think the UCs would be tired of accepting a whole class of 4.0 students that were presidents of ASB and 10 clubs? It's like accepting the same person. You also can't rank someone just by their GPA and ec's because there's such things as their statement. Now if personal statements don't affect you greatly in getting accepted, I don't see why people put so much emphasis on that. You haven't read everyone's personal statement so you wouldn't know if that affected their acceptance. </p>
<p>Second if you see a black guy with a 3.0 compared to a white guy with a 3.0 and they had similar qualities in their app. The black guy coming from the inner city schools where the socioeconomic conditions are worse, the white guy coming from a suburban upper middle class family. Seeing how the black guy did pretty well in his conditions of course he has the better chance. Now if it was a white guy versus a white guy in the those 2 conditions, the one from the inner city would still get the better chance. I'm not being racist, statistics show that the populations of blacks are that high in the inner city school districts. Next, when they took the property tax out of California, I believe it was proposition 13, I may be wrong, the taxes that use to pay for most of those inner city school districts were gone so they cut funding for them. The suburban schools however had upper middle class income families, which donated a lot more money to them. So it's not about race, it's about socioeconomic status. I know this stuff because I've had a debate on it before. With just a little research I could find the statistics for you again.</p>
<p>I know I may argue with you forever about this and find all the facts to show you and you still wouldn't change your opinion. But just starting arguments with people on this forum supporting it with just your opinions and theories will get you no where.</p>
<p>to willdo.</p>
<p>look above.</p>
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I have not heard from UCI either... 3.7 GPA with IGETC certificate at the end of Spring in math major... my friend, on the other hand, got in UCI already with a 3.0 GPA ... so weird! Many of us who have 3.6+ do not receive the result yet? What is going on?
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<p>GUESS WHAT! It's a numbers game! THE FACT YOU HAVENT HEARD YET MEANS NOTHING! IT HAS NO IMPACT ON WHETHER YOU WILL OR WILL NOT GET IN! The reason some got in early is, again, because of numbers (there are a lot of applicants!)! Surely they haven't been able to do a final review of ALL, or close to all, applicants yet.</p>
<p>Secondly, race has no impact in UC decisions at all. GEOGRAPHIC DIVERSITY DOES. Also, they can consider background factors when they get to your personal statement, etc.</p>
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<p>Not really: It's about geographic diversity, an officially sanctioned part of UC comprehensive review. Geographic diversity can be considered as a primary factor, while socioeconomic factors come from the personal statement.</p>
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Not really: It's about geographic diversity, an officially sanctioned part of UC comprehensive review. Geographic diversity can be considered as a primary factor, while socioeconomic factors come from the personal statement.
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Even though they make take geographic diversity, I doubt that it's a big part of it.
UCI</a> Demographics
If you look at the home locations it doesn't look geographically diverse to me. I'm pretty sure you'd find similar results at other UCs with more research.</p>
<p>Wing, as evidenced by your lack of sentence cohesion and argumentative structure, you lack the requisite intelligence to discuss the educational system as it pertains to minorities, specifically blacks and hispanics. </p>
<p>I'm not debating your views on affirmative action, that's a whole different matter that I don't want to delve into at the moment.</p>
<p>As I said before, I highly suggest you let the matter go, as soon as humanly possible.</p>