<p>"but in doing so, it actually creates inequity to those who actually work hard and do study."</p>
<p>Doesn't that statement imply that 1) people who get good grades worked hard for them and 2) the disadvantaged student (in your mind the black people who don't study) isn't trying as hard when they get the lesser grade?</p>
<p>"No longer are we trying to be the BEST, for how can we when space is made for the weak for the simple fact that they are weak?"</p>
<p>I would consider the student who earns a 3.0 GPA while working and providing for there family much "stronger" than the 4.0 student with little obligations.</p>
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o i see, so i start the arguement the sky is blue FIRST, then the burden is on me.
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<p>Just using your opinion that blacks are lazy isn't going to support your argument since in the end it is still an opinion. I'll even agree with you there that I have the same opinion that the majority of blacks are lazy. But using that OPINION to prove the fact that affirmative action still exists just doesn't work. So drop the race card and research on it before you try to argue. Give me a solid argument with evidence that I can't retort and I will agree with you.</p>
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i never said they are INHERENTLY LAZY. i said SPECIFICALLY for SOCIOECONOMIC REASONS. at least kudos has some form of reason with him
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<p>You said that Asians are lumped with whites because they actually study. So you were saying THAT blacks, hispanics, and anyone who isn't Asian or White are not studious. And not being studious is lazy.</p>
<p>"people need to get over this infamous stereotyping is horrible mentality. im asian. i know asian ppl drive really bad. so what, i know its true, big deal. im not personally attacking myself or another specific person. thats a attack on the race in <em>general</em>. and the statement is <em>generally</em> true. i don't think im a bad driver, in fact im an awesome driver. the previous statement didnt call me a bad driver, it merely said <em>generally</em> my race is full of bad drivers. right now im not calling any specific black person dumb or not studying or what have you. im saying <em>generally</em>, due to their circumstances they do poorly compared to everyone else."</p>
<p>Oh come on man. Your logic doesn't follow.</p>
<p>1) asian ppl drive really bad</p>
<h2>2) im asian</h2>
<p>3) im an awesome driver</p>
<p>That doesn't make any sense, it's totally absurd. It's not valid, it doesn't compute. And thats the problem with stereotyping. The end.</p>
<p>so lets go it this way, assume im wrong. that means blacks are studious and wonderful and get the best grades ever. is that true? nooo...</p>
<p>well then lets say they are just as good as everyone else? well then why do they continue to receive extra attention as illustrated in that site i posted just for you iam?</p>
<p>It show's MCATs and GPA. Does it show each person's other achievements? Does it show their personal statements? Their socioeconomic status? No. If every university were to accept someone just by their numbers they wouldn't need personal statements and internships or extra curriculars. And I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of those rejected also sounded like the same person with a 4.0 GPA, a perfect MCAT score, and a personal statement consisting of how their internship made them sure that they wanted to be a doctor.</p>
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<p>your message contained two words</p>
<p>"doesn't compute"</p>
<p>and then you said im wrong.
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<p>What he's saying is that it's a horrible analogy.</p>
<p>if you read the site i gave you it specifically explained that portion in which you try to agrue.</p>
<p>what if this person has extrenuating cumstances? well then i should go both ways right? white/asian people can also have extrenuating circumstances can't they?</p>
<p>as long as we TRY everything is going to be all right, cause TRYING is what counts."</p>
<p>That was your idea. Your the one who said.</p>
<p>"it actually creates inequity to those who actually work hard and do study."</p>
<p>Meaning only those who try hard get good grades. And as you said thats wrong. Trying is irrelevant. It's results that matter. A 3.0 student with a GPA and a job with heavy obligations got better results than the 4.0 student with no obligations.</p>
<p>"as for working at the same time and therefore their grades are affect, don't you think that is not intrinsically applicable to minorities?"</p>
<p>I don't think grades have anything to do with a "minorities" nature.</p>
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<p>Maybe, maybe not. Do you know? I certainly don't have each of their applications in front of me. If you do please show me and show me that they DO have extenuating circumstances.</p>
<p>sorry about the first statement, i read your reply incorrectly. im saying that exactly, work hard get the grade and be rewarded, dont work hard get the bad grade dont get rewarded.</p>
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<p>"as for working at the same time and therefore their grades are affect, don't you think that is not intrinsically applicable to minorities?"</p>
<p>I don't think grades have anything to do with a "minorities" nature.</p>
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<p>you read my statement wrong, im saying that not only minorities work, many people work while going to school.</p>
<p>how about you take some reading comprehension courses before you talk</p>
<p>"people need to get over this infamous stereotyping is horrible mentality. im asian. i know asian ppl drive really bad. so what, i know its true, big deal. im not personally attacking myself or another specific person. thats a attack on the race in <em>general</em>. and the statement is <em>generally</em> true. i don't think im a bad driver, in fact im an awesome driver. the previous statement didnt call me a bad driver, it merely said <em>generally</em> my race is full of bad drivers. right now im not calling any specific black person dumb or not studying or what have you. im saying <em>generally</em>, due to their circumstances they do poorly compared to everyone else."</p>
<p>Please stay off insulting each other. I hate it when arguments turn into name calling showdowns. I personally believe that UCs still do use affirmative action out of the books, but your argument is weak in my opinion. It's like arguing that Bigfoot exists. Just saying he exists doesn't mean he does. Give some hard evidence, like catch the ****er and bring him to me.</p>
<p>The reason I'm arguing its existence out of the books even though I believe it exists is because that would be horrible advice for any prospective California University applicant. Making them hope or fear that their race will or will not help them is definitely not good advice since it's still not fact.</p>
<p>"im saying that exactly, work hard get the grade and be rewarded, dont work hard get the bad grade dont get rewarded."</p>
<p>Too bad this dichotomy doesn't exist in the real world. Therefore we have to look at other factors to gauge the success of a prospective student. Like EC's, backround, major prep, ect.</p>
<p>working hard does not lead to reward in life ?</p>
<p>Monetary reward? No. Movie stars, actors, politicians, Paris Hillton's, lottery winners, and thousands of other circumtances where people are 'rewarded' in life without working hard.</p>