<p>CCM also times the monologues when you audition on campus. They do spend a few minutes talking to you after the audition and if they are really interesed in you, they ask more questions. As has been said many times on this board, these schools have been doing this for years and just seem to know what they are looking for. I guess each school could require a pre-audition tape to see if they are interested in you at all and then invite you to officially audition for the spots that are open. Then they could spend more time with each auditionee, but there are problems with that as well. I am just glad that my son's audition experience went as well as it did and he will be attending his top choice. He followed each school's requirements and worked really hard and it payed off for him even with only a 5 minute audition.</p>
<p>MusThCC, my personal preference is also to have the same panel of auditors (more than one auditor) see the SAME applicants. Tisch doesn't do it this way, however. </p>
<p>MTDad, Tisch's auditor has a talk/interview with each applicant following the two songs and two monlogues. The time with the auditor is not timed. The songs and monologues have time limits but you do get to do two of each. I can't recall how long my D's audition was at Tisch. Maybe 20 minutes? Actually, it was longer, when I add in that in her year, there was an optional dance audition and that was for two hours (not sure the exact time).</p>
<p>I agree with Mtdad & MusthCC if you are herded through a production line audition - perhaps that might be a factor in determining if that school is the right fit for you. </p>
<p>While I know there are virtually infinite permutations as to how college auditions might be held, I just wanted to explain my earlier math. I was assuming 2 contrasting two-minute monologues, two contrasting vocal pieces, a moment for an introduction or question, and 30 people attending a group movement call for under an hour (30 students into 1 hr = a two-minute consideration for dance audition), and time to walk in & out - that is how I estimated 12 minutes per student audition. I used that as an average - I know some schools don't even have a dance call or allow only one monologue.</p>
<p>But, again, let's use the numbers that were presented by Tisch and CAP 21 combined, assume only six minutes per audition, assume two people running the audition (even if one is only to move it along and only actual evaluator).
That is 680 man-hours! Assuming a half-hour lunch break and 15 minutes to go to the bathroom - that would be near 20 fulltime work weeks. More than a fulltime staff appointment for over a semesters' time -that's a big commitment to auditioning! I realize that schools might make that commitment and, of course break it down into teams (maybe teams of one auditor). My point, I think most schools have difficulty scheduling more than 12 or so audition dates. I know some schools have audition teams that go on an audition tour. It just seems hard to think about so many hours being spent on auditions.</p>
<p>I am aware of a professional audition that had over 400 agent submissions for Belle in "Beauty & the Beast" - they called in about 30, the same audition saw about 400 folks in a cattle call audition for ensemble in two days. Would it be fair to say they had 800 audition? (more actually as I left out all the other agent submissions for other parts and EPAs). Most of those folks were cut inside of four minutes in a movement call, or after 16 measures singing - I know how you can move large numbers through the mill - but college auditions (I think) are different - you do not just walk down the hall typing people out in a college audition.</p>
<p>mtdog...</p>
<p>I can only speak about what Tisch does. I doubt any audition (songs/monologues/interview) are less than a full 15 minutes in duration (could be shorter, however, for straight acting). That is what I observed when my child auditioned (not counting the dance portion). Tisch holds auditions throughout the month of November for ED...many different days all week long (not just weekends like some other schools). During Feb., they hold auditions all month long about every day, not just weekends. They also hold auditions in other cities off campus, doing the full audition, not a screening, not a festival, etc. They have only one auditor per auditionee. There are MANY auditors. Each auditor does not see ALL of the thousands who audition over the year. There are far more than 12 audition dates! Tisch gets upwards of 2500 who audition (counting for both acting and MT combined). At least 1000 audition for MT (I think the number is higher than 1000). </p>
<p>I agree with you to not count numbers this way for schools that attend festivals and so on and screen students, many at one time, etc. But at Tisch, these are bonafide auditions of about 15 min./ student with a full audition and an actual interview per student as well. At my D's audition, there were two 2-minute monlogues and 2 32-bar songs, plus they worked with her in doing her songs a different way, etc. and then there was an interview with the auditor.</p>
<p>They truly DO see these numbers. They hold many more audition dates than many other schools and they have many auditors who don't all see all candidates. Arthur Bartow, Tisch's artistic director, has posted the audition numbers on CC in the past.</p>
<p>My daughter's experiences with NYU/Tisch line up exactly with what Susan reported. My kid was not the first to audition on her particular day and I remember watching the clock on the wall at Chelsea Studios and noting that most kids were with their auditors for between 10-15 minutes, with some longer. I remember how impressed my daughter was with how much time the auditor spent with her and how interested he seemed in getting to know her. (She will be entering the Class of 2012 there, studying MT at Tisch's CAP21, in a few weeks.)</p>
<p>Just confirming what has been said before, my D during her ED audition for Tisch spent approx. 20 min with her auditor. Tisch has an unusually large amount of audition dates you can sign up for, a lot more than most of the the other colleges, divided into ED admission and RD admission (both in New York and many other cities). On the day of my D's audition there were 3 auditors meeting with prospective students in 3 different rooms.</p>
<p>Dear Soozievt, Moms & Dads of NYU students, students, alumni, and my esteemed colleagues on the Faculty of NYU (Tisch, Steinhardt,CAP21),
I am sorry. I only used the figures put forth as combined figures for auditions to NYU as an example. I know NYU takes greater care than the 6 - minutes offered somewhere else in this thread as a way of seeing many folks audition. I was simply using those numbers as an example of a high number claimed. Posters to this blog, please know that I have broken bread with no less than four performing arts faculty of NYU (different studios) and have visited their campus many times and know what great work they do. </p>
<p>Now, if we use the same numbers and twenty minutes for each audition (including dance), and have three persons involved in the audition process....that comes out to 3400 man-hours (or roughly two full time year round positions doing nothing but auditions!) - That is a lot of institutional effort - but, apparently, makes personnel, financial, and artistic sense for some.</p>
<p>I think my daughter spent 10 minutes - total - on her NYU audition/interview. We were SURE she didn't get in because of the short time span...</p>
<p>I think it is important to simply be aware that some schools audition more kids than others. May be because they have more audition dates, or some classes are larger than others, and so more kids get accepted. As the class of 2009 embarks on their journey, I feel it is just as important to realize that some schools will attract more kids than others, and so the competition may be heavier. But, at the end of the day, you are "in" for a truly fun and exciting journey.</p>
<p>When you put together your final list however, and you like the idea of being part of a larger class (as was the case for example for my D), you may need to be ready to compromise as not all schools offer identical programs in size, curriculum wise etc.</p>
<p>I think it's so hard to tell what the auditors are thinking. My d had some auditions where she did stay a lot longer then some other kids but then at her Emerson audition, most kids were asked to sing 2-3 songs, she was asked to only sing one and was out in a few minutes. She was SURE she wasn't accepted but then ended up being one of the few accepted early action. You can definitely make yourself crazy trying to wonder what this means or that means. There is just no way to know. Go out and do your best...that's all you can do! And have some fun while your at it!</p>
<p>fredonia is going to yield a class size of 12 next year.</p>
<p>ithaca is taking 12-14</p>
<p>There is a difference between the number a school wishes to yield and how many a school will accept. Yield is the desired class size. Most schools will accept more students than they hope to yield -- although some will only accept as many as they hope will attend... Otterbein and CMU are notable examples of schools who only accept as many as they hope to yield and then go to a wait list if not all of the students they initially accept choose to attend. </p>
<p>Does Ithaca plan on accepting 12 - 14 or do they hope to yield 12 - 14?</p>
<p>the woman said "we are looking for a class size of 12-14"</p>
<p>I am guessing that means that Ithaca will accept more in order to enroll a class of 12-14.</p>
<p>NMR
Thanks for pointing that out. I often see people get confused when they hear how many students will be in the freshmen BFA MT class and assume that is also how many are accepted. At most schools, more are accepted than the number they plan to yield to fill the freshmen MT class. </p>
<p>Ithaca usually does have 12-14 in the freshmen class but they definitely accept MORE than that. In my D's year, she was accepted to Ithaca for MT as were some other friends and none of them enrolled there. I believe that is true for your D's year as she was accepted and is not attending. </p>
<p>So, for those new to this college stuff....please realize when examining acceptance rates and number admitted, that number is NOT the same as the number that enroll. The number admitted is almost always larger than the number who fill the class. Not every person admitted will attend and most candidates are accepted at more than one school but can only attend one.</p>
<p>University of Colorado, Boulder has a total of 20 students Fresh - Sr. in their MT BFA program. They dont have a specific number, but only admit an average of 5 per year.</p>
<p>I think another consideration is the male/female ratio. At some schools more men are accepted than women. CMU has 5 women and 9 men in the freshmen Acting class and 5 women and 7 men in MT this year. I am not sure if other schools have a similiar ratio. We were told during the audition season by at least one school that men were accepted in higher numbers because there were more male roles available after graduation in both stage and film. I am not sure whether that is a true statement but it does seem possible especially for film work.</p>
<p>I am not questioning CMU's motivation for wanting more men than women. I am simply adding that, in my experience, most programs that can, do accept more men than women - this is to be better able to cast their own seasons as there are many more roles written for men than women. This then, of course, carries into the real world after graduation as well.</p>
<p>at the orientation they said 1200 auditioned for the acting program at purchase</p>