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<p>We are in the same situation! I thought we’d be all done with travel at this point but D has been admitted to three schools we have not visited yet and one we have so my husband is taking her to CO next week during Spring Break and I take the next week and hit a few more schools up the east coast. Hang in there! In a few weeks, this should be behind us. I think on some weird note, I’m going to miss it when it’s all over!</p>
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<p>Agreed. I think some who visit the MT forum on CC are not aware that CC has a LOT of other forums on it to do with college admissions, and then there are entire forums on this site for each BA school such as Northwestern or Yale, etc. There is so much information on CC if you look beyond just this one MT Forum. The MT Forum is particularly helpful in discussing BFA programs or BA in MT programs not discussed within forums about each college overall. Also, many BFA programs exist within colleges that don’t get much traction on CC outside the MT Forum…such as Pace, Roosevelt, Texas State, Oklahoma City U, Coastal Carolina, U of Cincinnati, Baldwin-Wallace, Point Park, Otterbein, etc, whereas there is lots on CC (outside of this MT Forum) on better known colleges such as NYU, Carnegie Mellon, U of Michigan, Penn State, Syracuse, U of Miami, UCLA, etc. that are widely known beyond their MT programs.</p>
<p>“Can someone tell me, besides UMich, CCM, CMU, NYU, what are the other programs now considered to be the “top” providers of “triple threat” training?”</p>
<p>There are many programs that have for years provided triple threat training… Syracuse, Ithaca, Florida State, Shenandoah, BOCO off the top of my head are strong BFA programs with wonderful dance training that have been around sing I was auditioning for BFA musical theatre in the late 1980s. </p>
<p>“Newer” programs… meaning I am pretty sure they did not exist back when I was auditioning for programs and MT programs were hard to find… include, off the top of my head… Coastal Carolina, Pace, Point Park, and Elon. I teach at James Madison, an auditioned BA program, and recent alumni are working as actors/ singers/ dancers on BWAY, National and International tours, Regional Theatre, TV/Film, etc… There are MANY programs that are training triple threats. </p>
<p>I spend time researching programs, and as the artistic director of a summer theatre see hundreds of college students and recent alums audition. Many are from Schools that pull from a more regional applicant pool, and many are just as strong triple threats, and many just as marketable as the students from schools whom everyone has heard about. </p>
<p>Maybe PM members who go to or who have kids at schools your D was admitted to. They can give you the scoop on the triple threat training. :)</p>
<p>Congrats to your D on acceptances!</p>
<p>I totally agree that most school and college guidance counselors are not aware of the MT application and admission process. The only advice my D had from her college guidance counselor was to apply to at least one non-audition BFA MT school as a safety school, which is valid, but that’s all. </p>
<p>In my D’s school, she’s the only student who had undergone this rigorous process. And it annoys me whenever asked of the status of her applications and I would respond that she has been rejected in 3 schools and see the surprise, if not oblivious, reaction from people as to why she was not accepted – and I have to explain the whole audition process and the number of students who applied, the acceptance rate, etc. </p>
<p>I seldom meet parents here who could relate to the whole experience and I really am very grateful to CC for all the insights, experiences and advises from parents and counselors. With our distance to US mainland, my D also does not have the opportunity of visiting the school she was accepted to so far and it is only through CC that we get to know more about that school. And it is only through CC that I now realized that there could have been other options out there aside from BFA MT to still pursue my D’s interest on MT and also other BFA MT schools aside from the 7 she applied and auditioned to. I have been recommending CC to some parents whose kids are interested in MT and hopefully I will be able to contribute in the future once I gone through this whole admission process.</p>
<p>Paradise - I was in a similar situation being from Hawaii - not as far as you - but plenty far just the same. She did a summer theater camp to the mainland and then some coaching - the cost of which put traveling to a bunch of campus auditions out of reach (we did unifieds). She did a lot of research and was in contact with students from each of the schools she was accepted to. In the end - her coach recommended a school that she was not initially enthralled with. We skyped with the assistant MT director and then booked a few days to go to this school (not in the budget - but well worth the time and expense). She felt that she could go to any of the other schools sight unseen except for the one that she was told would be the best fit for her strengths. In the end she fell in love with this particular school and it has been a match made in heaven. If you do your research from afar and use technology resources you will be able to get a decent idea as to whether the school is right or not. It is very easy for someone from the mainland to go on a quick school visit - this is just not the case for you - use Skype, facebook, email, college confidential and figure out the best bets. If you are able to narrow down the school and a visit is still necessary - then go for it - but I have a feeling that your daughter will be very happy pursuing her passion no matter where it is. I feel your pain!! Honestly - next year you will have settled into her final choice and all will be right with the world! I am, of course, not saying that a school visit is a bad idea - I just realize the difficulty that you are experiencing. Best of luck - Aloha:-)</p>
<p>If anyone cares to see how many colleges offer a BA or BFA in Theatre or MT you should pick up this weeks (or last weeks) issue of Backstage. It lists all the colleges in the country by state. There are hundreds on that list if you’re interested.</p>
<p>So where do you all find these numbers. I am a junior and looking at schools that I will be applying at next year. I am looking at alot of smaller schools that aren’t mentioned as much on CC. I still would love to find out the numbers of applied vrs admitted. I would love to know how to dig up this information!! :)</p>
<p>The Hartt School has a phenomenal dance program as well as top notch acting and vocal training.</p>
<p>drama4me – you can always ask the programs directly. Most will give you estimates. :)</p>
<p>@alibabba808 - Thanks for empathizing with my situation. Greatly appreciated. Now, we are going through the difficult but pleasant process of deciding among 3 great schools. Going through all the pros and cons, combing through the various threads in CC on these 3 schools. Surely, will not be able to visit any of the schools - just glad that of the 3, D has visited one (NYU) and had intensive summer program at the other (BoCo) - and I am getting great feedback from CC parents on SU. Couldn’t complain at this point. </p>
<p>In another thread, will definitely share the application and decision process and hopefully this will be helpful to other “international” (though technically, D is not an international student but “eligible non-citizen or green card holder”) students in the future.</p>
<p>@alibba808 I’d love to know the decision your daughter made and how she made it, realizing of course that it’s a personal decision and another kid may choose differently. Thanks!</p>
<p>Bumping for continuation of "How many does each school audition/take? Ballpark figures of course. It would probably be helpful to indicate the year that your numbers are from (given that there must have been a great deal of chance since this thread began six years ago.</p>
<p>^^Good.</p>
<p>Here is what I suggest. The most recent posted list of figures is in post #156. HOWEVER, in many subsequent posts, new data and updated data is provided. If someone is willing take the time…first copy and paste the list from post #156 and read through all posts after that and add in any new information on this data that was provided and post that on this thread next and people can keep adding to it going forward. </p>
<p>PLEASE try to continue with not only how many APPLIED, but also how many ACCEPTED, and how many in the YIELD (spots in class). Keep in mind that most schools accept more than the number of spots in the class. If you want to provide a year/date of the data for an entry, that could be added too.</p>
<p>I would suggest starting fresh with a list that include Applied, Accepted, Yield (as soozievt suggests). I know that the 2014 #s for JMU are quite different from the 2008 #s. I am sure that it is similar for other schools. I wonder if it would make sense to start a whole new thread (which could be pinned), and close this one to new posts. Basically a thread called something like “Audition/ Accept/ Class Size #s fall 2014” (this would be information for the current class that auditioned last year. The most recent year where there would be #s). </p>
<p>It may be hard to get information that is more than anecdotal on audition #s and accept #s. Not all schools share that information openly, and some schools include all students they see at combined conferences (like SETC or state conferences) in their #s, even if those students never actually apply to the school. Current students at the schools may have an idea of those #s, but most will not have been so involved that the anecdotal information will be 100% accurate. </p>
<p>All of this information is useful for creating a balanced list, but due to the subjective nature of arts program admissions, it does not follow that a school with a smaller # of students auditioning, and a higher admit rate will necessarily turn into a program admissions “yes” for any individual student. </p>
<p>I bumped these two threads that may be of interest:</p>
<p><a href=“Freshmen MT Class Sizes, Fall 2012 - Musical Theater Major - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1355255-freshmen-mt-class-sizes-fall-2012-p1.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“2014 Freshman Class size - Musical Theater Major - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/musical-theater-major/1646310-2014-freshman-class-size-p1.html</a></p>
<p>We used class size and then an estimation of national competitiveness to factor into building a balanced list. We did not really use quotes of “number auditioned” for the reasons noted by KatMT.</p>
<p>The largest list dates from 2012-2013:</p>
<p>Baldwin Wallace MT: 16 (7 men and 9 women)
Ball State MT (BFA): 20 (8 men and 12 women)
Boston Conservatory MT: 65 total (15 more accepted than anticipated)
Carnegie Mellon MT (BFA): 12 (7 men and 5 women)
CCM MT (BFA): 18 (9 men and 9 women)
Coastal Carolina MT (BFA): 12 (4 men and 8 women - <em>twice the women accepted offer than anticipated)
Coastal Carolina Acting (BFA): 10 (4 men and 6 women)
Elon MT (BFA): 18 (9 men and 9 women)
Emerson MT: 14 (13 women and 1 man)
University of Florida MT: 4 (2 men and 1 woman, 1 sophomore transfer)
Florida State MT: (BFA) 7; (BM) 3 (3 men and 4 women total)
Illinois Wesleyan MT: 7 (4 women, 3 men)
Hartt MT: (BFA) 23 (15 women, 8 men) Acting (BFA) 12 (8 men, 4 women)
Ithaca College (BFA): 26 MT (15 women, 11 men), 34 Acting
James Madison MT (BA): 11 (6 men and 5 women)
Michigan MT (BFA): 21 (11 men and 10 women)
Montclair: 20 (10 men and 10 women)
New York University: Tisch NSB - 61,
NYU Steinhardt: 24
Northwestern U (BA/MT Cert): 15 frosh (6 M and 9 F) {</em>see post #21}
Ohio Northern (BFA): 5 (4 women and 1 man)
Oklahoma City MT: 27 (14 men and 13 women)
Otterbein MT (BFA): 9 (4 men and 5 women)
Otterbein Acting (BFA): 6 (2 men and 2 women)
Pace (BFA-MT): 35 (17 men and 18 women)
Penn State MT (BFA): 11 (4 men, 7 women) (usually alternate odd years 12, even years 14)
Point Park (BA/BFA MT) 35 (22 men, 13 women)
Rider (BM MT): 10 men 20 women
Roosevelt/CCPA: MT Voice Emphasis -27, Dance Emphasis -17
Royal Conservatoire of Scotland MT (BA): 18 (3 American Students)
Shenandoah MT (BFA): 18 (7 men and 11 women)
SUNY Fredonia MT (BFA): 14 (4 men and 10 women)
SUNY Fredonia Acting (BFA): 4 (1 man and 3 women)
Syracuse MT (BFA) 20 (8 men and 12 women)
Texas State Acting (BFA): 12 (6 men and 6 women)
Texas State MT (BFA): 14 (5 men and 9 women)
U of California, Los Angeles MT: 7 (3 men and 4 women)
U of Northern Colorado MT: 16 (5 F and 11 M + 2 sophomore F transfers)
U Michigan MT (BFA): 21 (11 men and 10 women)
U of Utah (BFA): 22 (8 men and 14 women)
Wagner College (BA MT): 30 (15 men and 15 women)
Webster University (BFA MT): 19 Total
Webster University (BFA Acting) : 16 Total
Wright State (BFA MT): 14 (7 men and 7 women)
Wright State (BFA Acting): 14 (7 men and 7 women)</p>
<p>I think this is the most recent list (from 2014):</p>
<p>Baldwin Wallace MT (BM): 18 (10 men and 8 women)
Ball State MT (BFA): 22 (11 men and 11 women)
Boston Conservatory MT (BFA): 56 (16 men and 40 women)
Cincinnati Conservatory MT (BFA): 20 (13 men and 7 women)
Coastal Carolina University MT (BFA): 10 (4 men and 6 women)
Elon University MT (BFA): 20 (9 men and 11 women)
Florida State University (BFA/BM): 9 (6 men and 3 women)
Ithaca MT (BFA): 25 (15 men and 10 women)
James Madison MT (BA): 11 freshmen + 1 transfer = 12 (6 men and 6 women)
U of Michigan MT (BFA): 21 (10 men and 11 women)
Montclair MT (BFA): 21 (10 Men/11 Women)
Ohio Northern (BFA) 20 (6 Men/14 Women)
Otterbein MT (BFA): 8 (4 men and 4 women)
Pace MT (BFA): 31 (14 men and 17 women)
Penn State MT (BFA): 16 (10 men and 6 women)
Rider MT (BFA): 49 (11 Men and 38 women)
Royal Conservatoire of Scotland MT (3-yr BA): 18 (9 men/9 women. Americans: 2 men/3 women)
Shenandoah MT (BFA): 18 (7 men and 11 women)
Texas State MT (BFA): 14 (8 men and 6 women)
Viterbo MT (BFA): 9 (1 man and 8 women)
Wright State MT (BFA): 13 (7 men/6 women)</p>
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<p>This is the 2014 list of class sizes
Baldwin Wallace MT (BM): 18 (10 men and 8 women)
Ball State MT (BFA): 22 (11 men and 11 women)
Boston Conservatory MT (BFA): 56 (16 men and 40 women)
Cincinnati Conservatory MT (BFA): 20 (13 men and 7 women)
Coastal Carolina University MT (BFA): 10 (4 men and 6 women)
Elon University MT (BFA): 20 (9 men and 11 women)
Florida State University (BFA/BM): 9 (6 men and 3 women)
Ithaca MT (BFA): 25 (15 men and 10 women)
James Madison MT (BA): 11 freshmen + 1 transfer = 12 (6 men and 6 women)
U of Michigan MT (BFA): 21 (10 men and 11 women)
Montclair MT (BFA): 21 (10 Men/11 Women)
Ohio Northern (BFA) 20 (6 Men/14 Women)
Otterbein MT (BFA): 8 (4 men and 4 women)
Pace MT (BFA): 31 (14 men and 17 women)
Penn State MT (BFA): 16 (10 men and 6 women)
Rider MT (BFA): 49 (11 Men and 38 women)
Royal Conservatoire of Scotland MT (3-yr BA): 18 (9 men/9 women. Americans: 2 men/3 women)
Shenandoah MT (BFA): 18 (7 men and 11 women)
Texas State MT (BFA): 14 (8 men and 6 women)
Viterbo MT (BFA): 9 (1 man and 8 women)
Wright State MT (BFA): 13 (7 men/6 women)</p>
<p>Here is older data for schools not found in the 2014 list (These are 2012 numbers)
Carnegie Mellon MT (BFA): 12 (7 men and 5 women)
Emerson MT: 14 (13 women and 1 man)
University of Florida MT: 4 (2 men and 1 woman, 1 sophomore transfer)
Illinois Wesleyan MT: 7 (4 women, 3 men)
Hartt MT: (BFA) 23 (15 women, 8 men) Acting (BFA) 12 (8 men, 4 women)
New York University: Tisch NSB - 61,
NYU Steinhardt: 24
Northwestern U (BA/MT Cert): 15 frosh (6 M and 9 F) {*see post #21}
Oklahoma City MT: 27 (14 men and 13 women)
Point Park (BA/BFA MT) 35 (22 men, 13 women)
Roosevelt/CCPA: MT Voice Emphasis -27, Dance Emphasis -17
SUNY Fredonia MT (BFA): 14 (4 men and 10 women)
Syracuse MT (BFA) 20 (8 men and 12 women)
U of California, Los Angeles MT: 7 (3 men and 4 women)
U of Northern Colorado MT: 16 (5 F and 11 M + 2 sophomore F transfers)
U of Utah (BFA): 22 (8 men and 14 women)
Wagner College (BA MT): 30 (15 men and 15 women)
Webster University (BFA MT): 19 Total</p>
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