Big Ten expansion moves ahead

<p>Not that it matters in the least, but lack of institutional controls of its football program might be a good start. </p>

<p>The Big Whatever is probably hoping that a long term penalty imposed by the NCAA will allow them to dance around the issue. Reasonable people expect PSU to have to live without football for a long time. And that is the way it should be.</p>

<p>Perhaps it’s time for a B1G contraction?</p>

<p>I think they like the success of the championship game for football. Need 12 for that. Also need them or replacement for BIG hockey league.</p>

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<p>Article 2.1: ”It is the responsibility of each member institution to control its intercollegiate athletics program in compliance with the rules and regulations of the Association. The institution’s president or chancellor is responsible for the administration of all aspects of the athletics program. These principles of institutional control are further elaborated on in Articles 6.01.1 and 6.4 of the NCAA constitution. “</p>

<p>Article 2.4: ”For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.”</p>

<p>Bylaw 10.1: individuals should ”act with honesty and sportsmanship at all times so that intercollegiate athletics as a whole, their institutions and they, as individuals, shall represent the honor and dignity of fair play and the generally recognized high standards associated with wholesome competitive sports.”</p>

<p>Bylaw 19.01.2: ”Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.”</p>

<p>Source: [Emmert</a> doesn’t ‘want to take anything off the table’ with Penn State | CollegeFootballTalk](<a href=“http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/17/emmert-doesnt-rule-out-death-penalty-for-penn-state/]Emmert”>Emmert doesn't 'want to take anything off the table' with Penn State - NBC Sports)</p>

<p>TAVIS SMILEY | Mark Emmert | PBS </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBGHr9a9nc&feature=player_embedded[/url]”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBGHr9a9nc&feature=player_embedded&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>SMU got 2 years back then; however, it seems that NCAA President views PSU’s case as much worse in comparison. Hence, most likely a 5-year suspension imho.</p>

<p>The penalty will be over ‘lack of institutional control’ a rule that’s fuzzy on it’s best days. Secondly I see little logic beyond retribution for expelling the entire university from the B1G. The football program was the violator. The football program was the source of the crimes and the resultant cover-up. Yes, the AD and President were involved and supportive, but that doesn’t mean the other coaches, athletes, students or faculty were somehow duplicitous in the events. </p>

<p>My guess is the PSU stays in the B1G, though perhaps without a football program for a few years. IMO, the severity of the penalties will come down to how willingly they (PSU) fall on their own sword. I’d guess they’ll play football this year but I wouldn’t bet on 2013 or '14. </p>

<p>As for the Clery Act, that’s likely to take years to resolve itself. Hopefully the the ‘aid-ers and abettors’ will be in prison long before then.</p>

<p>I guess I’m just contrarian, but I doubt the Death Penalty gets implemented. The five guys involved are either dead, in jail, or awaiting trial. This is a criminal matter being handled by the criminal court system. PSUs loss in reputation and likely upcoming civil damages is due punishment.</p>

<p>If Clery Act and Death Penalty are implemented the impact to the Happy Valley economy would be huge.</p>

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<p>Indeed, vinceh & UCBChemEGrad!!</p>

<p>[Federal</a> officials probe Penn State for possible Clery Act violations - The Washington Post](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-officials-probe-penn-state-for-possible-clery-act-violations/2012/07/17/gJQA8swirW_story.html]Federal”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/federal-officials-probe-penn-state-for-possible-clery-act-violations/2012/07/17/gJQA8swirW_story.html)</p>

<p>Frankly, violation of Clery Act is really nothing comparing to what many popular sports forums have been speculating that ‘Second Mile’ was in fact running a Pedo Ring operation under Sandusky’s leadership. If verified, all Penn State football facilities along with Beaver Stadium will be demolished in no time due to nationwide public outrage. Still pending on the federal investigation at this point, and most likely will be much worse than Freeh Report once released… :(</p>

<p>UCB, by the very nature of timing of violations and their subsequent discovery, most NCAA punishments happen long after the perpetrators have ‘left the building’. As far as the economic impact I’m left asking, So what? Are universities the latest institutions that are “too big too fail”? The actions of Spanier, Paterno et al were criminal, there is a price to pay beyond moral outrage.</p>

<p>UCB, the NCAA has already begun a formal inquiry on “lack of institutional control.” Having begin that inquiry, I don’t think they could very well now conclude there was NOT a lack of institutional control, or that the violations merit only a small slap on the wrist. They’d look like moral monsters, as bad as JoePa himself. Since NCAA President Emmert has said repeatedly and publicly that this is the worst scandal in the history of NCAA football, I don’t see how they can NOT impose the “death penalty,” unless Penn State beats them to the punch and self-imposes a ban on football for at least a couple of years.</p>

<p>There’s big money at stake. It’s not only the loss of gate receipts, concessions, and spin-off business at motels, bars, and restaurants in Happy Valley. Penn State will need to pay big cancellation penalties for road games it misses, and it probably still needs to make good on its financial guarantees to visiting teams. Its athletic department will be left with about a $50 million hole in its annual budget, with no obvious source of replacement revenue to fund non-revenue sports at a time the university as a whole is going to be bleeding from the cost of civil litigation, tort judgments, and settlements. TV ratings for Big Ten football will probably dip, and so, too, will TV revenue coming into the conference and going out to member schools. But I don’t think the public is in any mood to hear Penn State or the NCAA say, “Well, a lot of money is at stake, and that outweighs the gravity of the crimes committed under cover of the Penn State football program.” No way.</p>

<p>Time to shut 'er down.</p>

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<p>It’s not about retribution, vinceh!! Rather, zero contribution in terms of revenues which certainly will not be tolerated in Jim Delany’s book. One to two years of death penalty for its football program “might” be ok with B1G Commish, but not five-year with countless negative ramifications attached to such a long suspension.</p>

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<p>Source: <a href=“http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/52941/b1g-to-study-freeh-report-continue-review[/url]”>http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/52941/b1g-to-study-freeh-report-continue-review&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Jim Delany doesn’t get to decide who stays in the conference, the university presidents do. Conferences exist for all sports as well as paying some lip service to academic interactions. As appalled as they surely are I have a hard time seeing how the university presidents will support the idea of punishing all of Penn State for the reprehensible actions of a few. </p>

<p>Furthermore, if football revenue were the only factor in the decision process, places like Indiana and Northwestern would have been gone years ago. Given the extraordinary nature of the events I wouldn’t be surprised if Delany worked out a deal with the NCAA for the B1G to go back to 11 teams for the duration of the penalties but retain the right to have a conference championship game. </p>

<p>A five year death penalty? I don’t see it. Two max and that assumes the NCAA has jurisdiction. The trustees at PSU have show no remorse and even less shame than Gordon Gee at OSU. They have already announced that they are seeking to retain counsel regarding any NCAA sanctions. Do you actually think that group at PSU will go quietly into this good night? Millions of dollars are what drove the cover-up, millions more are at stake now, they will most certainly fight. A Board that sees no issue with keeping a statue in place memorializing the enablement of a predator will most definitely fight the NCAA. I’d wager there already looking for a supportive federal judge who will issue a restraining order against any sanctions. It took almost two years to sanction Rich Rod and Michigan for too many practices, I can’t fathom how long this is going to take.</p>

<p>Finally, the second paragraph of Delany’s statement is the most telling. He’s not going to do anything until “the federal, state and other investigations” are complete. As damning as the Freeh report is, it has no legal standing. Is it thorough and held to a certain evidentiary standard? Let’s hope the former Director of the FBI can at least deliver that, but at the end of the day this is going to drag in the courts for months if not years.</p>

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<p>Indeed. Nonethless, Pitt & Rutgers had more initial support amongst B1G Presidents than Nebraska, but Delany was able to convince the Presidents that Cornhusker was a better fit at the end. </p>

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<p>Indiana and Northwestern though certainly not as profitable as PSU, still give B1G great TV exposures to Indianapolis and Chicagoland. Know that PSU’s athletic department along with its olympic sports are fueled by its football revenues.</p>

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<p>Me either. But never say never…</p>

<p>[Death</a> Penalty For Penn State? - YouTube](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXtAlfVFYRI]Death”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXtAlfVFYRI)</p>

<p>PSU paid for the Freeh report.</p>

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<p>barrons is right! lol</p>

<p>[Hoge:</a> Why The Big Ten Should — But Likely Won’t — Kick Penn State Out CBS Chicago](<a href=“http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/07/18/hoge-why-the-big-ten-should-but-likely-wont-kick-penn-state-out/]Hoge:”>Hoge: Why The Big Ten Should -- But Likely Won't -- Kick Penn State Out - CBS Chicago)</p>

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<p>Why does anyone think they would do the right thing? They’ll dance around the issue as long as they possibly can.</p>

<p>What’s the right thing, xiggi?</p>

<p>Good question UCB. It seems that some people in the media and on CC know the appropriate punishment for PSU, along with its hundred football players and coaches, thousands of faculty and staff, 40,000 students and half a million living alums. As if the criminal and warped acts of one man and the immoral and unacceptable response of a half-dozen ex-University admnistrators are a reflection on the entire university community, and should therefore be used to determine punitive measures on the university community.</p>

<p>Serve the interest of your conference by kicking PSU to the gutter. Refraining from doing so is nothing less than condoning the lack of control at PSU and acknowledging it is business as usual at the Big Whatever. Business as usual is not protecting pedophiles and adulating caricatures of heroes a la PSU, but it IS burying anything that might jeopardize KING FOOTBALL. </p>

<p>A slap on the wrist IS NOT enough. PSU football should be dead. At the NCAA and at the conference level. But that requires courage and integrity. PSU should face a worse Calvary than SMU. A lot worse.</p>

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<p>My interpretation of the Freeh report is that university only cared about losing its “reputation” - as if ferreting out a sexual predator and getting him convicted would have done anything but enhance that reputation. They also seemed spineless in standing up to their “beloved” coach who was the CEO of the cash machine that was its football program. They didn’t care about the 10-year old boys being raped on their campus, they really didn’t even care about football as much as they cared about the “prestige” and cash that football brought them. </p>

<p>The cash machine has to pay a price. “Off with their heads” now and forever? To me that’s punishing too many who had nothing to do with the problem. Shaking my finger at them and saying “tsk, tsk”? I’d have a hard time facing any of the victims if that’s the best anyone could come up with. </p>

<p>Do I feel bad for the honest players and coaches whose lives, careers and dreams will be disrupted by a one or two year suspension of the football program? Yes. But no more so than I feel bad when the idiot son takes over a family business, runs it into the ground and then hundreds are out of work. Innocent bystanders always get hurt, just ask Sandusky’s victims.</p>

<p>Instead of cutting off a “cash machine”, use it to generate donations to child abuse organizations.</p>

<p>People have resorted to hysterical propositions like shutting down the entire university. The B1G is not going to kick to the gutter one of the premiere public universities on the East Coast.</p>