D just got in for marketing. Is it considered a good school? Any idea if grads work all over the country or mostly just in the midwest? Classes interesting? Class sizes huge? Many thanks for any insights.
Yes Farmer is considered an excellent undergraduate business program. We took our son to a tour of Miami in October and afterwards got a private tour of the Farmer school. Our impression was that the faculty really was focused on undergraduate teaching, in other words, it wasn’t just fancy marketing by the school. Building was very nice. Even though it’s newer construction it was designed to be similar to the older buildings (I assume that was intentional).
Our son is still waiting from a few more schools, but with direct admission to Farmer as well as the business schools at Indiana and OSU, he will have a tough choice to make.
@Watch37 We are in the same exact situation. Kelley seems to the best out of the three but it seems like OSU and Miami will offer more merit $$$. What are you thinking?
Of course the money will have a big impact on the decision, but as of right now he’s “slightly” leaning toward OSU. You?
Indiana seems to be the best undergrad business school out of the three. We haven’t visited OSU yet but have seen the others. Miami seems to focus more on undergrad,
The term best is relative… it depends on the major. Kelley is very well known for Finance. Having said that, Kelley is NOT worth $100K more than Miami or OSU ( assuming merit money is earned at OSU and Miami) . Not even close. Same consideration was given last year, and OSU was the better choice both financially and academically. OSU is up there in the majority of the undergraduate rankings. Miami is up there as well. By the end of the day is what the students get out of the opportunity given.
Great feedback. We are not a Finance major and are from MD. In the end cost for all three will be relatively within the same ballpark. Sounds like we need to visit the admitted student days for all three and see how my son feels.
Unless a scholarship or merit has not been earned, OOS cost WILL NOT be the same… Indiana OOS tuition is about $36K . Kelley adds another $2K. The highest scholarships I have seen from IU are about $11K… This will make Kelley about $27K for an OOS student (tuition only). OSU out state is about $31K plus another $1.5K for Fisher. OSU Merit scholarship (Buckeye plus) can be roughly about $15K to $17K. OSU can come down to about $15K for an OOS student (Tuition only) , Miami would be about the same assuming the student can qualify for their scholarships as well.
The difference could be about $15K a year which is a lot of money for a similar education. The advantage for Miami is that it is a smaller school which could be a disadvantage as well when it comes to school spirit, location etc. The bottom line is that yes, you should visit and see for yourself. What I am finding with my HS graduating class now that I am home visiting for the holidays is that EVERYONE seems to be happy where they are. A lot of thought was given to a lot of these decisions and whether kids ended up at Arizona, UGA, FSU, Maryland, INDIANA, Wisconsin etc etc. They are all happy and thriving. All these schools offer similar experiences. This is why I think cost should be high on the list of considerations when comparing similar ranked schools/programs
Kelley has higher internship and permanent employment numbers compared to Farmer and Fisher, so from a pure job numbers perspective, I think it is fair to say Kelley “is better.” But I think beyond that, things like student experience, sports, dining, dorms, etc. factor into whether one is better than the other. We toured Farmer and Fisher in October and were impressed with both. We will likely tour Kelley in the spring, unless my son makes a decision before then.
My daughter did not apply to IU or OSU. I was just wondering what people knew about Farmer. Mostly about recruiting and if grads work in the east.
A couple of you asked about IU Kelley above.
D attends IU Kelley now as OOS sophomore student. All in IU is roughly $45-46 a year for Kelley without scholarships. She was given a scholarship for grades which gets to $34-35 a year all in being OOS. If you were in state, price is like 1/2 the cost to go there vs OOS students.
Son accepted at Farmer on Friday night and awaiting packet. Awaiting feedback from Kelley.
One of my sons is a freshman who was admitted as a Nutrition major and did not apply for direct entry to Farmer’s. He is now on the path to complete the prerequisites to switch into a Marketing double major in Farmer’s. FSB has a great reputation and hosts lots of job fairs/recruiting events on campus. Also, they host regional (Chicago, Cincinnati, Atlanta, DC, etc.) networking opportunities for students during J-term, which my son would like to participate in next year.
i would highly recommend your students attend a “Make it Miami” event ASAP, before making a decision on another university. Be sure to arrive early or stay late, and go Uptown and eat at Bagel & Deli. Talk with students, and ask about Farmers for some real feedback. Ask about rigor of courses and class sizes and opportunities for internships and Study Abroad.
To be fair, I would visit and attend “admitted student events” at the other colleges too.
To answer a few questions, Farmers students work all across the US. We were in Hawaii on vacation, and my son was wearing a Miami hat. A man came up to him and said he was Miami grad. The man is CFO for a large company out of NY. We aren’t from Ohio or the Midwest, and we run into Miami alumni often.
I shared an article before, but it is worth reposting, from an article in 2016. This is copy and pasted from Miami’s website.
“Miami among top producers of Fortune 500 CEOs
Beyond Fortune 500 companies, Miami boasts corporate and agency leaders both with business and non-business degrees.
Money magazine asked, “What sort of education does it take to climb to the top of America’s largest companies?” The answer: The sort of well-rounded education Miami University provides.
Miami made Money’s Top 10 list for CEOs of Fortune 500 companies – and the magazine points out that Miami is the only school in the top 10 with two female Fortune 500 CEOs to its credit.
The magazine analyzed the recently released Fortune 500 list of companies representing two-thirds of the U.S. gross domestic product.
They created a list of the top 10 schools with the most alumni in the Fortune 500’s top seat, ordering the list by the number of undergraduate degrees each school confers.
The editors found elite schools in the mix, but also liberal arts schools and public universities. Miami is both — a public, liberal arts university.
The editors write, “You might be surprised that just as many Fortune 500 CEOs went to this small Midwestern liberal arts school as such big-name schools as MIT, Yale, and Vanderbilt. But Miami U’s alumni and current students aren’t. They say the university offers a rigorous liberal arts curriculum that prepares its students for all kinds of challenges. Miami is also the only school in the top 10 with more than one female CEO to its credit.”
Money lists these Miami graduates who lead Fortune 500 companies:
David C. Dvorak, Zimmer Biomet Holdings
Lynn J. Good, Duke Energy
Kimberly S. Lubel, CST Brands
James T. Ryan, W.W. Grainger
Beyond Fortune 500 companies, Miami boasts corporate and agency leaders both with business and non-business degrees.
A sampling of Farmer School of Business grads who are corporate leaders:
Mitch Barns - Nielsen
David Dauch - American Axle
Scott Farmer - Cintas
Michelle Imler - JPMorgan Chase
Brian Niccol –Taco Bell
Jeff Osterfeld - Penn Station East Coast Subs
Scott White - New Avon
A sampling of CEOs, COOs and VPs from Miami’s College of Arts and Science:
Adam Bain, COO of Twitter, majored in English: journalism
Marne Levine, Instagram COO, majored in communication and political science
Scott Glaser, VP-CFO at Lane Bryant, majored in economics and French
Dana Paris, CMO of Vogue International, majored in psychology
David Dafoe, president and CEO of Flavorman, majored in zoology
Rebecca Messina, senior VP of marketing at Coca-Cola, majored in Spanish and minored in Italian
Miami’s emphasis on a liberal education provides a broadened context for exploring social, academic, political and professional choices. It is designed to help students understand and creatively transform human culture and society. Students learn to ask questions, examine assumptions, exchange views with others and become better global citizens.”
@Materof2 Thanks for your response. In your opinion, do you think Make it Miami is a better way to experience the school rather than just scheduling a regular tour and info session. My concern is that a Make it Miami day will feel like a big, overwhelming circus.
@citymama9 , Make it Miami is absolutely a phenomenal way to experience the school. S17 and we attended a couple of years ago. Here’s what to expect during one of the events:
- there is an opening session where you will hear from President Crawford, admissions folks, and students. You will enter while a slide show is played, depicting student life, study abroad, internships, stats etc. there is lots of good info here, so arrive early.
- you and your student will jointly go to a session in your department (Farmers or Engineering or whatever school your student has been accepted). You will hear directly from the Dean of that school, a professor or two will speak. You’ll see a slide show specific to that area of study.
- then a student in that major will take you on a tour specific to your major. For us, it was engineering (back in 2017). For my D19 it will be Psychology/neuroscience. Anyway, you will go into labs and see students working on projects. You can ask specific real questions to these students to get a feel for the rigor of the program, class sizes, professor availability, opportunities for internships and study abroad. It’s your chance to get the real scoop vs what is “marketing”.
- Students and parents split off into a student only session and parent session.
- We got back together and ate lunch in a dining hall. Delicious buffet!!
- We saw a real dorm room.
- We also signed up for a regular campus tour, as we hadn’t officially visited before.
- We also visited Goggin Ice Arena (a must do)
- and took a tour of the rec center (a must do)
- Visit the bookstore in Shriver (go up to first floor and basement, as there are different stores with different stuff)
The whole event was a well organized, but real look at the campus and student life.
We received advice prior to attending Make it Miami, to go to Uptown Oxford, walk around, and eat at Bagel & Deli. So, we arrived the night before and did just that. It turned out that an employee at B&D had a girlfriend who was studying abroad and working in the exact area of interest as my son.
My point is, speaking to students in real time will add another layer of whether a college is a right fit. It’s why I think you and your student should attend every admitted student event you can at the colleges that interest him/her.
Back to Miami… our daughter and we will attend March 8, 2019 Make it Miami because it coincides with the D1 Miami RedHawks ice Hockey Team playing games both Mar 8 and 9. So, if you can extend your stay during a weekend that has hockey, you will LOVE it.
Good luck in whatever path your student chooses.
A reason why I would attend MIM vs a tour on your own, is that your student will really get an idea of the major, Farmers and professors etc, that you will not get on your own.
Great advice and so helpful @Materof2
As far as rankings: Out of 215 ranked undergraduate business programs by US News, 19 schools are tied at #45 including Miami University of Ohio. Indiana-Kelley is tied at #11 while Ohio State is tied at #15.
Indiana University–Kelley is well respected for accounting, finance, marketing, management and MIS (management info. systems).
OP asked if Miami of Ohio is a good business school. According to the US News survey of business school deans & senior faculty, Miami Univ. of Ohio is ranked at #45 And tied with these 18 other business programs:
SMU, FSU, Pepperdine, Temple, Tulane, US Air Force Academy, Alabama, Arkansas, UC-San Diego, UConn, Kansas, UMass-Amherst, Nebraska, Tennessee, Univ. of South Carolina, Utah, Villanova, & Virginia Tech.
Indiana-Kelley is tied at #11 along with USC & Notre Dame.
Ohio state tied at #15 along with Emory, Georgetown, Illinois, Minnesota & Wisconsin.
We have been looking at Quants and Poets rankings recently, and Miami OH is ranked better than a lot of these schools they are tied with above. Actually the different rankings are kind of interesting.@Publisher The Kelley school seems to get high ranks from everyone.