CC student seeking advice on "TAPPING" UCLA

<p>I am a current CC student in the Bay Area, and am aiming to transfer in Fall 2013.
Will be applying for a major in Economics at UCB/UCLA/UCSD. (UCLA being most desired)
I have completed 2 regular semester and am currently taking summer classes.
By the end of Summer 2012 I would have completed 24 UC transferrable units.
Fortunately, I have well maintained a 4.0 cumulative GPA w/o a single "W" up until this point and I am sure I will receive As for my summer classes too based on my current academic progress.</p>

<p>Here comes the question. So my school offers Honors Program with UCLA and I am unsure whether or not it would be a good idea for me to join.
Base on my educational plan, I will have to take 18 units in both Fall 2012 and Spring 2013 in order to complete IGETC and all the pre-reqs (24+18+28=60) prior to transferring.
And in order to fulfill TAP I will have to take at least 2 Honor classes within those 18 units in Fall and Spring.
Doing 18 units itself is already demanding. I am worried that if I take 18 units with 2 classes of Honor would hurt my 4.0
However, since I don't work and have pretty much no ECs, being TAPPED might actually shows that I am more academically focused.</p>

<p>I have read so much about TAP on collegeconfidential and I understand every student is different. So I am asking for advice base on my specific circumstances.
Should I stick to my plan and aim to finish CC with a nice clean 4.0 transcript and start looking for employment and ECs and all that, or should I risk my GPA to pursue a TAP?</p>

<p>Any advice/suggestions/comments is much appreciated!!</p>

<p>I have the same question, but I’m in a different impacted major. Looking forward to some answers.</p>

<p>I was accepted to UCLA’s biz econ as a tap student with 3.9gpa. I too took the honors courses at my cc and I will tell you honors courses isn’t a big deal at all. I’d say it all depends on the teacher though. I made sure to check out class before registering by asking around and going to ratemyprofessor. If you take a hard class and choose the honors one then yeah, that’s going to be tough. I always made sure my honors classes were something like geography, music, etc. I suck at English and taking an honors English would have ruined me. Just choose wisely.</p>

<p>Also I’ve had “regular” courses take much more effort and time than my honors courses. IMO taking 2 honor courses per semester isn’t a big deal. 18 units a semester is more concerning than taking honors(thats a serious work load yo). </p>

<p>Also make sure you find out about courses that aren’t honors courses that satisfy the requirement. My calc1 and 2 allowed me to take just 3 honors instead of the 5 my CC required of me(bio, physics, calc, etc were considered honors equivalents).</p>

<p>Remember, 4.0 is so killer, and try to continue to maintain it. Once you apply you run the chance of being awarded regents. If you get one B that chance goes away(my 4.0 turned into 3.9 after one B! I was sad lol), so it is important to keep the 4.0 but honors shouldn’t pose much of a threat in my experience. What does pose a real threat is this talk about employment and ecs. Just make sure those are in check and GPA still remains your #1 priority. Especially for UCLA.</p>

<p>Thanks for the reply MeStudyStuff!
Based on your opinion, I am better off try hard to maintain that 4.0 and not shoot for Honor?
Cause like you said, 18 units ain’t no joke! And to do 2 honors classes within that might be a little crazy?
Also, I checked the class schedule at my CC, the 2 Honor classes I would have take in the coming Fall are Calc1 (5 units) and English 1B (3 units), which are like the very core courses.
So I am 100% sure its going to be tough…
If I decide not to take honor, I would be taking the “regular” version of those two classes.
Maybe I should stay away from TAP and seek for work exp. and more ECs, as well as maintaining the 4.0?</p>

<p>I’d say take the honors route. TAP certified is such an advantage. Apply to an impacted major and you get to apply for an alternate major(nice!). It also helps to fill out those extra boxes on the UC application. I’d say do it. </p>

<p>I find it hard to believe your school doesn’t offer any other honors courses. You have to take prereqs and general courses. There aren’t any honors courses for those? </p>

<p>Also, it shouldn’t be an either/or thing regarding your outside activities. You can’t expect to get into UCLA or Cal with GPA alone(Not saying you are). GPA is king, but you still need to be well rounded. Hopefully you have activities you can add to your application.</p>

<p>Depends on what the classes are. I think it’s doable if you make sure a least one of the classes you take this fall is easy. Maybe an online class or a once a week class, and make sure the professor is easy on ratemyprofessors. But 18 units of difficult classes and then having to do 2 additional honors projects seems to be a little much.</p>

<p>Idk where in the bay area you are, but ccsf and the peralta colleges have a ton of online classes, lots that satisfy IGETC and major prereqs in Econ. You could also take Econ classes through UCB’s online extension program-they are self paced, so you don’t have to worry about having all of your finals, tests, or papers fall on the same day.</p>

<p>Just to clarify, you’re interested in applying to the major pre-economics at UCLA? Not Business Economics or Math Economics?</p>

<p>It really depends on what your goal is whether or not completing the TAP requirements would help. From what I understand, TAP doesn’t really make a significant difference in terms of admission. I didn’t TAP last year and was admitted to the major Molecular, Cell, and Developmental Biology even though my GPA was very slightly lower (.04) than last year’s average. So in that regard, not having TAPed didn’t make a difference for me. What I understand is that if you TAP, you’re guaranteed to be evaluated for your second choice major, which can be helpful if you’re applying to a really impacted major like bizecon or pre-econ. However, if you’re only interested in one major and wouldn’t be considering UCLA if you didn’t get accepted to that major, it would be pointless to you. It could work to your advantage though if you wanted to apply to say bizecon (avg admitted GPA 3.93) and then choose a less competitive major like Math Econ (avg admitted GPA 3.71) as your alternate as you would have a higher chance of getting in the second time around to the less competitive major. </p>

<p>In all honesty though if you maintain a 4.0 throughout your college career I think you’d be fine without TAP. I think there are a lot of things that get considered before TAP that are really going to be the determining factors of your admission. So if you have a 4.0, you’re going to get accepted or rejected on the basis of pre-reqs, extracurriculars, or your personal statement, not whether you did or didn’t TAP. In my mind having a 4.0 whilst taking 15+ units a semester already proves your successful study habits and that you’re capable of a college workload. </p>

<p>As far as the workload taking honors classes, I took 3 at my CC and I can say I didn’t see a significant difference in difficulty between honors and non-honors classes. In many classes, at least the science courses, honors and non-honors students were mixed into the same lectures/labs with the honors students just having to complete extra readings and assignments that didn’t seem overly difficult. Also for the classes where the honors students were separated into a completely different course, the workload was harder, but the instruction was generally better so it balanced out. I took an honors biology, english comp, and calculus II course and I wouldn’t say that any of them made my 15+ unit schedules significantly more hectic. Sure I may have spent a few more hours a week because of extra assignments, but the difficulty was about the same. All of that said the difficulty of any class, honors or not can vary on many factors like the professor, the CC you take it at, etc. so just be aware of that. Sometimes, the professor teaching honors classes are the best instructors; sometimes, they’re just the most critical graders. </p>

<p>So, it’s completely subjective. If I were in your position, I would start out by taking one honors course next semester and see how it goes. If it seems like too much work with your schedule, don’t worry about TAP and just try to get the highest GPA possible. If it seems manageable stick with honors so that you can transfer with the advantage of TAP.</p>

<p>Thanks for the thorough advice dilapidatedmind! it gave me a lot to think about</p>

<p>To clarify. Yes im interested in applying to pre-econ.
But from what I understood, Biz Econ and Math Econ are just as impacted as Pre Econ?
Or which is the most competitive out of all three?
Also, I wanna know where you obtain those yearly avg. admitted GPA like 3.93 for bizecon and 3.71 for math econ?</p>

<p>To continue the discussion, you said Im gonna get accepted/rejected on the basis of pre-reqs, ECs and personal statement if i maintained with a 4.0
I will complete IGETC and all pre-reqs for sure. The problem is that I have no ECs and I know that’s my weak spot. So am I screwed? Is that significant enough to kill my chance even if I can pull out a personal statement explaining why?</p>

<p>there is no “for sure” in UCLA impacted majors admissions. Likewise, lacking something trivial (like ECs) will not “screw” you.</p>

<p>But from what I understood, Biz Econ and Math Econ are just as impacted as Pre Econ?
Or which is the most competitive out of all three?</p>

<p>Biz econ is the most competitive with econ right behind and math econ far behind(although still very competitive)</p>

<p>Also, I wanna know where you obtain those yearly avg. admitted GPA like 3.93 for bizecon and 3.71 for math econ?</p>

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<p>The problem is that I have no ECs and I know that’s my weak spot. So am I screwed? Is that significant enough to kill my chance even if I can pull out a personal statement explaining why? </p>

<p>Will not kill your chances but it won’t look good at all. 4.0 student with zero EC/work exp/community service VS. 3.9 with workexp/and plenty of ECs. Which is more impressive? The latter student isn’t some freak either. They are the students you are competing against to get in. Although ECs shouldn’t have priority over GPA(generally) you still need it to be seen as a well round student(Important for UCLA but more so for Cal because of their “holistic” approach).</p>