"Cell Phone New Apron String For Freshmen"

<p>I think it's a combination of distance, age, and technology. Maybe gender, too?</p>

<p>Distance: more students attend college far away than previously
Age: With the GI bill, students returning from war and attending college were older and more mature and self-reliant.
Technology: more means of communication, cheaper, and more immediate. Complaints that take a week to be received and another week for parents to act on tend to be less trivial than "My roommate is untidy. Help!" If a student can live with a problem for two weeks without doing something about it, chances are the problem is trivial.
Gender: more women attend college than did 40 years ago. Girls tend to communicate more frequently and at greater length.</p>

<p>Hey! You too can join in the fun. Notice the live chat feature. Wouldn't they be shocked to have some parents' opinions to help even out the score? ;)</p>

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<p>And a few may remember what I said before when someone on here accused me of "Helicoptering".....</p>

<p>Hell. For a parent, if it ain't vicarious , then it ain't really living. ;) (Watching sports without her in the game is just....well...it's just nowhere near the same. :( )</p>

<p>Do we hover more than our parents? Certainly. But based on today's standards, I was raised by wolves. That ain't setting the bar real high.</p>

<p>"But based on today's standards, I was raised by wolves."</p>

<p>That's funny Curm. Me too. (But I think I had a much better childhood than kids today, but what can you do? LOL)</p>

<p>I think Baby-boomers and post-boomers ARE more involved in their kids lives than the previous generation. And for the most part that's good, but there are definitely some parents who go way overboard. I'm not sure why that is - perhaps because dads are finally involved in their kids lives, or some working moms feel guilty about time away from their kids, or at-home moms think "my kid is my job so their lives had better be perfect.".... who knows. Helicopter parents are related to the crazed sports parents who berate umpires at 8-year-old t-ball games. I admit I have to consciously pull myself back sometimes and let my kids learn from their own mistakes. It's not easy. And too many legitimately-concerned parents are getting stuck with that helicopter label.</p>

<p>But then I remember a year or two ago seeing a Dateline NBC story about a woman who called her college kid 5 or 6 times a day. She was his wake-up call, she kept track of his homework and reminded him what assignments to work on, she knew who all his friends were, who he was eating lunch with - I don't think the kid took a breath without her permission. Now THAT's a helicopter parent. </p>

<p>It's always been hard for parents to let go of their kids when they go to college. Technology just makes it even easier to continue to be involved - or over-involved - in our kids lives.</p>

<p>My college freshman son calls fairly often just to chat about what's happening in his life. I'm really a bit surprised that it is more often than I would have thought it would be. But he's the same guy who would call me on his way to high school to tell me he saw a Siamese cat or something else usual.</p>

<p>Let's don't overthink this. He's the one going to college and is the one making these decisions. I just love to have the opportunity to listen when he thinks of me and calls. But these Millennials are a different breed and many articles and books have been written by folks trying to understand them. Many of them like to collaborate and that characteristic could account for some of the attachment to us.</p>

<p>"...would call me on his way to high school to tell me he saw a Siamese cat"</p>

<p>I like that. My son (who RARELY calls) called me at work the other day to tell me he had just passed the Oscar Myer Wienermobile. I was amused.</p>

<p>Parenting is on a continuum, and when you have these extreme examples of wackiness (calling the university about a messy dorm room), which I'm sure happens every once in a while, people start questioning, what else is "excessive"? Then they start going down the path- well, maybe it's too excessive to help your kid with his application; maybe it's too excessive to research colleges; maybe it's too excessive to help steer him into summer programs...</p>

<p>But there really is a difference between helping your child, being a sounding board, being <em>there</em> for him, and calling the dean of students about the messy room. </p>

<p>I knew two moms who had it out over one of the roommates painting one walls of the apartment, before the other roommate could "approve" the color. There were extenuating circumstances, of course. They were also upset at each other for bringing the wrong type of dishes. We visited a young couple years ago and there were paintings/artwork laying all about the house. We asked, when are you going to hang up the paintings? They said they were waiting for MIL to come show them where to hang everything. Different strokes for different folks.</p>

<p>The wiener truck story is hilarious!<br>
I have my own "son calling home" story- one day he called all freaked out. Seems his chem teacher was doing a demo and spilled some substance over an overhead projector. Next thing the projector and the chem teacher's arms are engulfed in flames. He said the teacher started waving his arms and a kid jumped up and leapt on top of him, tackling him, smothering the flames. Meanwhile kids were jumping up to grab extinguishers. The projector continued to burn for a minute or so and went out on it's own.<br>
So I get this phone call, "MOM you wouldn't believe what just happened a few minutes ago!"</p>

<p>Well, I haven't had any flaming professors or weiner mobiles, but DD calls when something strikes her fancy. I love to pick up the phone and hear her voice and it makes me feel that she does think of me & misses me until in mid sentence she says, "Oh, gotta go I have a call coming in."</p>

<p>Ahhh, the illusion is dashed! :)</p>

<p>My sister is tied to her college junior son by the cell phone line. She still calls him in the morning to wake him up, he calls her frequently--very frequently. I have come to the conclusion that in an earlier era, this young man would have stayed home to go to college, rather than venturing all way to State U. two and half hours away. He would have been going home for dinner every night. (In fact, my husband and I were the ones to convince him to leave his hometown for college. A mistake?)</p>

<p>I don't think the phenomenon of home-body kids is a new thing. Just the mode of communication that is different.</p>

<p>Re: the uni having a seminar for profs on how to deal with hovering parents - after attending my S orientation, I think perhaps the college may bring some of this upon themselves. The orientation included two whole DAYS of activities for parents, including a chance to sign up for an online interactive version of the freshman required classics class led by the prof. Many "meet and greet" with profs, etc. While this was nice, my H and I kept thinking how much can we need to know???? When we went to college our parents put our boxes on the sidewalk and waved goodbye.
I kept wondering during orientation what exactly I was supposed to be asking, needing --- but certainly if you had heli tendencies all the interaction would very much increase your comfort level in later giving someone at the uni a call.</p>

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But based on today's standards, I was raised by wolves."</p>

<p>That's funny Curm. Me too. (But I think I had a much better childhood than kids today, but what can you do? LOL)

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<p>If parents think that their childhood was better, then work to achieve that with their children or, if the child is now a young adult, still work toward what made the parents' childhood better.</p>

<p>I think that growing up in the 1950-1960 was better because the parents were busy and did not have time to be and provide everything an immature child could dream up as a "want." Remember what you were told in the summer if you started with "I'm bored"? The parent did not drop everything and buy or engage in an "enrichment" activity. You were told to get out from underneath her (yes weenie, women were tougher then) feet and find something to do and quit whining.</p>

<p>Remember what happened when you said "dad, can I have some money?" I specifically recall "GET A JOB!" And I did and it tought me lessons that made independence as a young adult easier.</p>

<p>Have a problem at school? The parents' solution if it related to grades was study harder and listen in class. In other words, YOU figure it out. Heaven help you, if you were a discipline problem at school. Parents did not sue the school, they had a rule that if you got licks at school (corporal punishment for those younger parents), you got double the licks at home. Taught you the causal relationship between conduct and punishment, i.e., taking responsibility for your own conduct.</p>

<p>AND, college. Most people my age who I talk to made their own choice of college w/out the parents involvment. If you were one of the few whose parents would assist financially, there usually was a simple rule, make an __ average or you are on your own.</p>

<p>Roommate problems? Dad would tell you to "suck it up." [jump in weenie, what did mom do?] Long distance calls were expensive. Parents usually frowned on those calls. You were on your own. My opinion that was what established life long habits of independence and self-sufficiency (not many boomerangs back then).</p>

<p>Don't answer or use your cell phone with your college young adult for a month. I dare you. Try it. See if they really want your opinion or want to communicate with you by writing a letter. You are convenient and they are bored and you always found them something stimulating to do before, so whay not call YOU and let you do it somemore?</p>

<p>It's purely technology driven. Everyone carries cell phones; they use them. Everyone has email and instant messenger service; they use them. Communicating quickly with anyone, anywhere, at any time, is easy and cheap. I wouldn't have dreamed of making a long distance call when I was in college unless it was VERY important.</p>

<p>07DAD, I think you are over-reacting. I was raised in the 50s and 60s also, and many of your generalizations do ring true for my upbringing. Furthermore, I raised my own children with some of the same rules, modified thanks to the fact that my childhood was poor (money-wise) even by the standards of the day, and my own children are very comfortable middle class.</p>

<p>Nonetheless, even though my son's independence and self-reliance are a source of great pride on my part, I love to hear from him and be assured that he chose a college that works well for him, that he is busy and happy, and to have a chance to remind him that his little sister would like an opportunity to update him on some events in her life. Is that really so awful and inexcusable?</p>

<p>He has made three brief calls in the almost-two weeks since we left him at college. Not enough, but probably the best I'm going to get. On the other hand, if he called every day, I would have to change my lifestyle, because there is no way I could keep up my end of the conversation. Not so many exciting new and different things going on at this end.</p>

<p>From reading these posts of calls (surprising number of boys, whoo hoo!) one thing I notice is that kids are calling to have a witness to their lives NOT for help. I would have liked having that audience, or witness, but my parents were too narcisisstic. I was their witness, so why would I call? They were always the center of attention. And I didn't even really like them. So if my needs weren't met, why would I call? I went entire semesters without seeing them or talking to them. I hardly think this is an ideal situation or a standard to hold up to our children. Wolves indeed.</p>

<p>Preparing for society is even more complex than it was when we went to school. Professions require more preparation and are more unstable. It is possible that people need more support to accomplish more difficult tasks.</p>

<p>That said, I can state categorically that the only office (or person) I have ever spoken to at either kid's college was the Bursar's office, and believe me, neither kid wanted to straighten out bill confusion. That's my job. I wouldn't think of contacting anyone at the school about academic or social issues.</p>

<p>As for schools' negativity about helicopter parents, well of course! A part from true interests of the students, isn't easier for them to deal with less assertive young people than their accomplished parents? Those mentioned workshops are not student-centered, but institution-centered. Might be re-written, How to Protect Our Ivy Hallowed Halls from Hordes of Visogoths.</p>

<p>Last year D had many, many mice in her dorm-apartment. School repeatedly told her that since they did not manage the building but only leased the space there wasn't much they could do. Landlord did set traps, call exterminator with great frequency but results were not stellar. I did not intervene and D did not want me too, but had I done so, I would have sword rattled much more than D.</p>

<p>While studying in Spain about 5 years ago, I met a professional, married woman of 26. She told me that the only time she'd ever gone more than a few days without seeing her mother was for her honeymoon, which was two weeks long. She called home every day-- on her HONEYMOON. I think that is pretty normal in Spain. </p>

<p>So, there is no one best way of dealing with parent/adult child relationships. Our culture values independence from parents once a child hits college age. Fine. Maybe we are beginning to swing more towards a slightly different cultural norm. That's fine too. I agree the helicoptering is generally a bad thing, but I don't think that the 1960s/70s version of parenting-- not talking to your child for a WHOLE SEMESTER!!-- was necessarily fantastic either.</p>

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Don't answer or use your cell phone with your college young adult for a month. I dare you. Try it. See if they really want your opinion or want to communicate with you by writing a letter. You are convenient and they are bored and you always found them something stimulating to do before, so whay not call YOU and let you do it somemore?

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Gee, I don't think so. I personally would never be comfortable making such a sweeping statement as "you always found them something stimulating to do before." After years of reading CC, I know that many of the parents who've responded to this thread have produced kids whose accomplishments and ambitions don't indicate a dependence on parents for stimulation - or direction or discipline or focus, either. And why would I deprive myself of the pleasure of a conversation with my child, which I'd much rather have than a letter? I've gotta ask, 07DAD, have you done this?<br>

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If parents think that their childhood was better, then work to achieve that with their children or, if the child is now a young adult, still work toward what made the parents' childhood better.

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I certainly don't think that the childhood 07DAD describes was better in any way than the childhoods my kids will remember. It's true that parents have a responsibility to work to create the kind of childhood they feel will be best for their children. If parents feel that the values and practices with which they were raised were better than the prevailing values and practices of today, what's stopping them from raising their children according to those older beliefs? Nothing that I can see. It's your house, your child, your family, your rules - raise kids as you think they should be raised. Most people do exactly that.</p>

<p>The question I'd like to see answered is why so many parents decide to raise their children differently than they themselves were raised. After all, if that halcyon era of child-rearing was so much better, why change it?</p>

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I love to hear from him and be assured that he chose a college that works well for him, that he is busy and happy, and to have a chance to remind him that his little sister would like an opportunity to update him on some events in her life. Is that really so awful and inexcusable?</p>

<p>He has made three brief calls in the almost-two weeks since we left him at college.

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<p>midmo Three calls in less that 14 days is deprivation? Wouldn't you agree that if your S is "busy" doing his job (college), as you want him to be, he would naturally call fairly infrequently? I mean when an adult is really busy at her job, I doubt you'd criticize her if she didn't make personal calls. Why doesn't little sister call him?</p>

<p>frazzled1 -- the halcyon era of child-rearing was better but not perfect. There were helicopters then. Freshman year at Emory in 1968, a boy in the freshman dorm hung himself by a belt from his dorm door rather than go home for X-mas. </p>

<p>When they interviewed us on the hall when school resumed after the holiday, we all recalled that his parents called him twice every day, he hated the calls and that he told his roommate that they always demanded that he be studying because he was their first to go to college and he'd best not be wasting their money. </p>

<p>Hey, those calls we make to OUR student, they are harmless, right?</p>

<p>Also, I'm not sure that really all that many parents did reject the "core" of how they were raised. Although it seems to be a fixation with certain aspects of the media, in my real world experience most parents don't try to be their child's "buddy." And I know of very few dads who are constantly hooked to a cellular umbilical cord with their college sons. </p>

<p>I did "walk the walk." I felt that my father was absent too much of the time on his career. So, when S was born I withdrew from a partnership and practiced my profession solo. That way I was able to attend some of his functions, be a chaperon on the math club trips etc. But I continued to have my relationship with adults (my wife, personal friends and business associates) and did not become his "buddy" or substitute his life for mine.</p>

<p>I told my S early on that school was his job and that his privileges turned on doing his job well w/out the parents having to ride herd on him. He took the challenge and thrived. I told him that he had to obey the rules of the school (he attended private all boys school) or he would suffer the consequences that the school decided. There was "an incident" his 9th grade year. He came to me, told me what had happened (he had clearly done something not allowed under the rules) and I discussed with him that absolute candor was the only acceptable course even if he got severly punished or expelled. He did handle it with the truth and learned from the experience. I did not take his side like a pal or buddy, rather I parented.</p>

<p>I made him find a way to pay for his insurance and gasoline, just like I had. He not only did it, but he saved money that he now uses for things that he wants to do that are not within my financial commitment to college. By the way, as my father had done with me, any money I made I could spend on what I wanted (so long as it was legal) w/out parental OK.</p>

<p>My S wanted to visit GF and her family in NY for Thanksgiving his senior year in HS. We had rented a large house in the Texas Hill country for a get together with W's side of the family. S went to NY w/out "grief tax" but he had to pay his way.</p>

<p>I got on a plane in 1968 with 2 suitcases and flew 800 to college where I got a taxi and moved myself into the dorm. My S asked me if I'd drive him the 730 miles to college. I did it and am glad for the shared time. But, no one made lists, went shopping and packed for S. I told him to make his own list, give me an estimate and I'd include a reasonable amount in the financial commitment. He did and it worked. Very similar to my up-bring.</p>

<p>My parents had nil input on college selection other than my dad set a financial commitment limit. I didn't whine or argue. I just found a school that fit within his limits and that I thought I'd like. My S used his GC and I provided all the answers to the parent questionaire and attended the one scheduled face-to-face meeting with the GC and parents. My S found a school that turned out to be a great fit for him. Very much like my experience.</p>

<p>I wrote letters home (infrequently). I called 2 times a month. My S and I agreed that a call a week seemed to work. We also agreed that emails should be used for pleasantries, not to require information, make reminders etc. We have done that. It works. Since he has only been at school going on 2 weeks, we have had one phone call. We should talk tonight.</p>

<p>S went to summer camp. Letters were the only form of communication possible, per the rules of the camp. If you are a parent and have ever received a letter from your S, I think you will agree it beats a phone call hands down. If you are really lucky the letter is revealing in a way a call is not. I still have those letters.</p>

<p>My S's b-day is this week. I sent cards with a hand written personal message. My birthday is later this month. When my S asks tonight on the phone what I want, I'm going to tell him a letter from him.</p>

<p>GET OFF those phones.</p>

<p>07Dad - Regarding your tragic story of the student who committed suicide, I doubt most parents who chat regularly on cell phones with their kids are reminding their kids to study or trying to find out whether their kids are studying enough. At least, I know this is not the case with my husband and me when we talk to our kids. If anything, they will say that they can't stay on long because they have (had, in the case of my college grad son) to study, whether we call or they have called for a short conversation. My kids are (were) totally self-motivated as far as academics and do (did) not need any reminders of how much they should be studying.</p>

<p>I say to each his own (barring abusive behavior- which driving someone to suicide is).<br>
My son calls me frequently- not daily, maybe twice a week. Usually just to kill some time and say 'hi'. I'm glad for that. I call my mom just about every day. I know it makes her day (she is in her late 70's). If someone doesn't want to call their parent daily, that's fine too. It's not for me to judge. </p>

<p>I don't like writing letters, so I usually call my long-distance friends or shoot them an email.</p>

<p>I do think that some of the orientation stuff may cultivate any residual heli-tendencies of some parents. Back when I went off to college, we went through orientation the week before classes on our own. We met with advisors, took placement tests, registered for classes, bought books, did all the prerequisite swim tests and presentations, after being dropped off and kissed goodbye. </p>

<p>I was kind of surprised when my oldest went through orientation and they had two days of "seminars" for the parents as well. Some parents were pretty upset that their kids were separated and had to do their schedules without any help from them (they did have help- from advisors). One friend of mine was criticizing the orientation at our state flagship- she thought the orientation for parents was "unimpressive". (???) It never occured to me that I, as the parent, should be dog-and-ponied at all. She was also upset at the fact that the kids were separated from their parents for the in-between night (they stayed in a dorm on campus). I, on the other hand, was surprised and somewhat impressed that the university even made an attempt to "entertain" us parents at all, which I thought was unecessary.</p>

<p>Point is, the two days of intense 'education' that universities provide is sort of a come-on if you ask me. If heli-parenting is such a problem, do away with the big parent circus- let us drop off our kids and pick them up two days later, or do it the week before classes start.</p>