Chance a terrified international? + does ED help at all?

<p>**2300+ SAT, 750+ on SAT subject exams</p>

<p>99.5+ ATAR, no GPA or class rank available (but this ATAR = top 0.5% in state)</p>

<p>Superb teacher and counselor recommendations</p>

<p>Some Bs and Cs (in geography and sport, both of which I am no longer doing) in report with a legitimate reason for them (financial difficulty, family death)</p>

<p>Very strong leaving exam taken in year 10, which is standardised </p>

<p>Amazing essays and short answers**</p>

<p>ECs:
**
School newspaper that was nearly dying that I 'revived', and managed to quadruple participation rates (editor in chief)</p>

<p>School band for two years (flutist and pianist)</p>

<p>Volunteering at a church for mentally disabled people (was a buddy to two guys)</p>

<p>World Vision & Sponsoring Club at school, where we try to raise money to sponsor children from third world countries (senior member)</p>

<p>School outreach/community service club that raises money, awareness etc for cancer council, visiting nursing homes, sending money overseas to third world countries etc (senior member) </p>

<p>*NGO-registered charity that is focusing on building a school in a third world country by getting donations, fundraising and enticing sponsors (co-founder and co-president) </p>

<p>*Self-published author</p>

<p>Summer research at a university in my future major in college*I'll also be applying to Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Dartmouth and Yale, since they're all need blind even to internation students, but Yale is my dream school and I'll be crushed if I'm just not good enough for it. :/ </p>

<p>If I can't make it to Yale, do I have a shot at any of the other schools on that list? I'm really fond of Dartmouth and Cornell as well...</p>

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<p>Details copy+pasted from another thread. Please do read if you can; it explains our school system.</p>

<p>I'm the only person in my school who is applying for Ivy league schools, so I don't have anyone to compare against; and everyone who is on CC seems to be so amazingly qualified at pretty much everything. I feel totally lacking and inadequate in comparison to those varsity sporty guys, international science olympiad champions and presidents of ten different clubs or something. I'm just...ordinary, you know? :/</p>

<p>My grades aren't great either. Although we don't have GPAs or class ranks in Australia (and so I won't be submitting them) we ARE required to provide a complete secondary school report... and I'm terrified that this will bring me down enormously. </p>

<p>Year 9: 5 As, 4 Bs (science, geography, sports, commerce) and 6As, 3Bs in final report (history, geography, sport)</p>

<p>Year 10: 6As, 2Cs (sport, geography) and 6A, B (geography) and C (sports)</p>

<p>Year 11: 5As, 2Bs (English Extension, Maths Extension) and 6As, B (history)</p>

<p>I haven't gotten my year 12 report yet, but I know that they'll be straight As this time (both midyear and final) - but I'm wondering whether my Bs and Cs have ruined my chances at Yale completely. </p>

<p>I do have a legitimate justification for my poor grades. My father was diagnosed with terminal cancer at the start of year 9; I spent the entirety of year 9 and 10 spending time with him and helping out in the house (my mother was his caretaker, and they both stopped working, so we were tight on money) After he passed away in the middle of year 10, our financial security plummeted, as my mother went back to school to provide a better life for us and thus had no income. I started working part time to lessen the burden on her. </p>

<p>Another worry is the fact that I don't have any remarkable awards that are worthy of mention, apart from an academic award in history and maths a couple of years ago, and a school-issued Gold Award that can be obtained by being an active participant in every facet of school life.</p>

<p>In Sydney, we do a standardised test called School Certificate at the end of year 10 which is state-wide and tests students on materials from the past two years. I did well in it, with scores of: English (97), maths (96), computing skills (99), history (97), science (94) and geography (90). As an international student, I'm required to submit this result...this is one of the few good things about my academic record. :/</p>

<p>The final university entrance exam is sat after year 12, and is once again, state-wide. The final score we receive is called an ATAR, and has a maximum possible mark of 99.95. The catch about an ATAR, though, is that it's a RANK against the state, not your real grade. It increases in increments of 0.05, which represents 50 people. This means that 50 people who receive 99.95, the maximum ATAR, are literally the fifty strongest students in the state. My school, which is one of the hardest schools in state, always produce at least two kids who get 99.95. </p>

<p>I'm expecting an ATAR of anywhere between 99.1 to 99.85 which is basically being in the top <1% of Sydney. Were I to remain in Australia, this ATAR would be enough to get me into virtually any undergraduate courses, including law and medicine, at any university, especially since we don't look at high school GRADES here when being considered for university admissions. I know that a girl a couple of years ago who got 99.95 got into Harvard...but I'm afraid that Yale will place greater importance on high school grades and disregard my ATAR, or hold it in equal regards. </p>

<p>My year 12 report will also have my individual ranks in each subject, which is NOT looking good for me. I know that I'll get an A, but my rank itself won't be that great. In my defence, I go to one of the hardest, most academically rigorous high schools in the state, if not the country (my high school is in the top 5 schools in Sydney) where around a third of the kids get into undergraduate medicine, law, etc...but even then, I'm scared that my ATAR won't play big enough a factor for Yale, because of my past grades and ranks within the school.</p>

<p>I'm almost certain that both teacher recommendations will be splendid, however. I'm planning to ask my English and physics teacher, as English is my best subject, and my
physics teacher sees me as very enthusiastic and diligent. The counselor recommendation will also be pretty strong. </p>

<p>The essays will probably be the best parts of my application. My other English teacher has commented that I write at a grad school level and has said that I (and my writing) "have brilliance," and writing is certainly the strongest talent that I have. (although that doesn't seem very evident when rereading this extremely long post...)</p>

<p>Don’t apply ED to Cornell if your dream school is Yale. Instead apply to Yale with their Single Restrictive Early Action plan. By applying ED to Cornell, I think that you have a very good chance of being accepted which means you would have to agree to the ED binding agreement and attend Cornell. Apply to Cornell in the RD round if you’re still interested, but again, apply to Yale with their EA.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>The Cornell websites explicitly states that applying ED gives you a better shot at getting in, and I’m definitely not a strong candidate at Cornell, let alone Yale… Like you said, if I have a decent shot at getting into Cornell by EDing, how bad will my chances be during RD?</p>

<p>I have two options right now:</p>

<ol>
<li>Yale EA, then RD to Cornell, Dartmouth, etc</li>
<li>Cornell ED, then RD to Yale, Dartmouth, Harvard etc</li>
</ol>

<p>The thing is that although Yale is my dream school, I’m pretty sure I have almost no chances at getting in. Cornell and Dartmouth are my second choices, and I’d be elated to get into either of them…but if I DO get into Cornell ED, I won’t have a shot at all at Yale. :confused: But then again, it’s almost unrealistic that I’ll have a real shot at Yale anyway in the first place, and Cornell would be absolutely amazing… </p>

<p>I’ve heard it from quite a few people that Cornell ED is “easier” somehow. can anyone shed a light as to why?</p>

<p>If you have those academic stats, I think that you would be very likely to be admitted to Cornell if you apply ED or RD. I say this because

  1. You are above their 75th percentile for SAT scores. Try to calculate your stats on the Academic Index calculator on CC. While the score on the AI doesn’t directly correlate with your chance of being accepted, it is a tool that Ivy League schools use nonetheless.
  2. Your list of EC’s look like you have made an effort to take advantage of the opportunities you have
  3. You say your essay is great.
    It seems like you have a very good overall application.</p>

<p>Also, see the website below for acceptance rates ED/EA/RD to Ivy Leagues.
[2013</a> Ivy League Admissions Statistics | The Ivy Coach](<a href=“http://theivycoach.com/2013-ivy-league-admissions-statistics/]2013”>2013 Ivy League Admissions Statistics | Ivy Coach)</p>

<p>You have great academic stats and seemingly great EC’s and essays. If Yale is your dream school go for it. What can you lose to apply to Yale EA? Take a risk and apply to Yale EA if that is your dream school. By applying to Cornell ED, you have a possibility that you won’t even have a chance to apply to Yale if you’re accepted. Take a risk, and apply to your dream school. Also, by applying ED to Cornell, you might be taking away a spot from somebody whose dream is to go to Cornell right? So if Cornell isn’t your dream school as it might be for somebody else, don’t apply ED to Cornell.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>(copy+pasted from another thread) I have another question. If I apply ED, I won’t have my ATAR results yet, which means my application will only contain predicted marks. My grades are lacklustre at best (once again, quite a few Bs and Cs, and all of my As are “low” As) and I’m afraid that the admission officer will put too much emphasis on them, instead of my ATAR. I know that my counselor will explain the Australian education system in her letter, and that admission officers may have prior knowledge of it as well, but that doesn’t stop me from being very afraid that my grades will bar me from being considered as a serious applicant. :confused: In Australia, the universities don’t even consider your high school grades when you’re being considered for admission… Will that be the case?</p>

<p>Admission officers are very aware of educational systems around the world including the Australian educational system. They should understand how Australian educational system works and will assess you accordingly. Your school guidance counselor writing a letter is a good idea too.</p>

<p>For predicted marks, I’m not too sure about this one. I know admission officers accept IB predicted scores, but not too sure about ATAR. Shoot them an email.</p>

<p>Seems like you all over CC, but don’t worry too much! It will all work out. People on CC also tend to care very much of their college education and are not representative of the applicant pool, so don’t worry that you don’t match scores/EC’s of other CC’ers.</p>

<p>Best of luck.</p>

<p>I’m and Aussie too (from Sydney as well) and was accepted this year into Cornell ED. To do with ED, it shouldn’t really matter if you dont have your ATAR yet, because your SAT scores are more than high enough to make u competitive in the grades department. I would even go to say a predicted ATAR wouldn’t make much of a difference to the admissions office. I had pretty similar Aussie grades to you, 99 + ATAR and all Band 6’s in the School Cert. I think you’ve definitely got the EC’s and grades to make the schools on your list, and in the end it really depends on your essays and what they’re looking for to complete the kind of class they want for that year. I had friends with lower ATAR’s who made schools such as Harvard and Yale, and have known many kids who got 99.95 to get rejected from all the ivies. It really depends on what they are looking for.</p>

<p>How receptive is Cornell to students who overcame adversity (and let their grades, ECs suffer as a result)? I had to work part time for more than a year as a private tutor and at a teaching college to help out, as we had no income and had to live on government benefits, which weren’t enough for the rent alone. ($470/week or something, and our benefits went to $550? around that, not quite enough) My counselor will write about this in her letter I’m assuming, but I’m afraid that it just won’t be enough. :confused: </p>

<p>The problem with not being intimindated by other CCers is that even with their impressive stats, many of them DON’T make it to their dream schools. :confused: Do you have any links to threads where a student without crazy awards and so-so ECs (basically someone like me? :P) made it to HYP, Dartmouth, Cornell? I’d feel a little better if there were precedents. :P</p>

<p>I PM’d you - please reply? ):</p>

<p>cant PM u - apparantly u have to have 15 posts… do u have another way of contact? I wouldnt know much about how receptive they are to overcoming adversity, that wasn’t part of my application or my essays.</p>

<p>check ur thread mate</p>

<p>Did, nothing to check ): what am I missing?</p>

<p>Dont really wanna post it in here, all the school stuff and everything, gimme ur email and ill send my stats to u? cos i cant reply to ur inbox because u cant send a pm unless uve posted 15 times</p>