<p>Great chance at all your choices :)</p>
<p>as the above posters have stated, all of your schools are matches/safeties kiddo.</p>
<p>Handskillz,
I have been keeping some SAT stats on this year's URM ED/EA results from CC threads. Of course CC is not a random sample and SAT scores are not the whole application, but I think this gives a good indication of ranges for some of the more selective schools. Of course you will be given some leeway on SAT scores if you are first generation or low income. It would be beneficial for you to go through and read the rest of the information on these accepted, deferred and rejected applicants to see how competitive the URM pool is. No problem with trying for an ultra reach, but do so with some basis in fact, not just some poster's belief that HYP are taking anyone for the sake of diversity.</p>
<p>Dartmouth ED:
Accepted: 1420
Deferred:<br>
Denied: </p>
<p>Brown ED:
Accepted: 1460, 1470, 1330, 1400
Deferred: 1360
Denied: </p>
<p>Rice ED:
Accepted: 1390
Deferred:<br>
Denied: 1150</p>
<p>Harvard SCEA:
Accepted: 1510, 1580, 1520, 1470 (1st gen), 1520, 1440
Deferred: 1150, 1390
Denied: 1340</p>
<p>Princeton ED:
Accepted: 1530, 1540, 1470, 1340, 1490, 1490
Deferred:<br>
Denied: </p>
<p>Yale SCEA:
Accepted: 1450, 1570, 1370, 1590, 1340, 1580, 1520, 1600, 1340 (1st gen), 1500
Deferred: 1390, 1470
Denied:</p>
<p>wow only 1 first gen for harvard and 1 first gen for yale?</p>
<p>Surprising..... Can you label which are of hispanic descent and which are of african american descent?</p>
<p>Thankyou entomom :)</p>
<p>I disagree with many posters. My friend (also black) from a single parent househould had a 3.7 also with similar SATs (not sure of exact score, over 1200) and was rejected from yale even though he is a top baseball recruit (also heaviy recruited by UPenn, was offered a tryout for the white sox earlier this year.) </p>
<p>It's not as easy as just "being URM"</p>
<p>True, but a lot of the schools aren't as competitive as they could be, if that's what he's looking for. HYPS aren't shoe-ins for anyone, even as an Underrepresented minority, but it's always worth a try. </p>
<p>Oh, and Handskillz, and anyone else who posts their stats and asks for their chances, many props. I'm too afraid that people will tell me that my top school is impossible! Good luck at where-ever you apply.</p>
<p>thx...yea i wasnt planning on applying to those top ivies anyway im jus worried about tcnj and und</p>
<p>What do you want to study?</p>
<p>"Black + 1250 SAT + 9 AP's = HYPS"</p>
<p>Not unless there is something extraordinary in his application that he hasn't mentioned as yet. The black student whom I know who recently got into H with such scores had 2 unusual national level accomplishments in academic-related ECs, was first generation college and went to a horrible school. </p>
<p>I know black students with scores as high as 1500 on the old SAT who were rejected by H. I even know a black legacy with state-level awards who was Harvard rejected despite having scores higher than the OP's.</p>
<p>I suggest checking CC's archives to get a better idea of the stats, curricula and ECs that black students have who are accepted and rejected by Ivies. </p>
<p>I think that the OP has reasonable chances at the schools that he listed.</p>
<p>accounting/spanish double major</p>
<p>beautiful - sorry, I don't have them separated, just look at the ED/EA results threads on any of the school boards and skim through them, lots of real data there. I may have missed a some 1st gen if they weren't prominently listed in their descriptions as I tend to go through quickly. Good luck on your search!</p>
<p>handskillz - yes, you seem to have a good assessment of what you want in a school. I really just wanted those out there who think any URM is a shoe in for top schools to take a hard look at the numbers. I've heard the arguments over and over, so I just decided to keep track of some facts this year. Many people seem willing to give their opinions readily, but applying to uber reach schools takes additional time and money, not to mention the emotional investment.</p>
<p>thx 4 the guidance yea im pretty NOT confident about getting in 2 ivies i was gonna apply to upenn but then psyched myself out</p>
<p>Apropo of nothing, Our best engineer got a BS in a small college in a small town in SW PA where he had the only afro the town had ever seen. He then got a MS EE at CMU? and a MS Nuclear Engineering at MIT. </p>
<p>good luck,</p>
<p>beprepn</p>
<p>I can attest to the fact they're definitely looking for minorities. My counselor is friends with an admissions counselor from Yale - he came to talk to us (top 10 students) about the admissions process and why no one from the class of 2005 at our school got into anywhere decent. He made a point of telling us that he wasn't marketing Yale to us, but that he was in the area to market it to low income inner city students. Hey, the stats don't matter...you're black!</p>
<p>and by decent I'm talking elite schools</p>
<p>"He made a point of telling us that he wasn't marketing Yale to us, but that he was in the area to market it to low income inner city students. Hey, the stats don't matter...you're black!"</p>
<p>You are really distorting what he said and what Yale and other elite colleges are doing. Those colleges are trying to diversify their student bodies by marketing their schools to QUALIFIED low income students of all races because such a small proportion of their student bodies are low income.</p>
<p>You simply can check CC's archives to see that the low income students who are getting into places like H, Y have a lot going for them. It would be, however, ridiculous to expect that a low income student who's first generation college and attends a school with, for instance, uncertified teachers, a high proportion of noncollege-bound students, and overall low test scores, would be able to get the same kind of high board scores achieved by the prep school offspring of an Ivy doctorate-holding, wealthy parent who paid $1,000 for the student's SAT tutoring;</p>
<p>The former student who achieved a 1300 score on the old SAT may be more intelligent and motivated than a well heeled 1450 student who is an Ivy offspring and attends an exclusive prep school.</p>
<p>Handsillz: You seem to have a good chance at all of your preferred schools. You can now just wait and see where you get in, the financial offers, and then see where you feel comfortable by spending a weekend if possible. You have reasons that you have a first choice of TCNJ, you must have liked it a lot. Notre Dame is a great place, and a lot of students are very happy there. You could apply to one Ivy, but it is getting late per deadlines. Good luck!</p>
<p>Henrym288,</p>
<pre><code> That is *ing **!! Nobody, Black, White, Asian, or whatever, is getting into Harvard with a 1000 SAT score. It never has happened, and it never will happen!! I suggest you do your research on that statement. I don't know what the big deal is about affirmative action with some people. You act as if people with a 4.0 GPA and SAT score of 2400 are getting denied, and Blacks with a 2.0 and 1100 SAT score are getting accepted. That is NOT happening. The reality of the situation, is that there are many Blacks who have high GPA's and SAT scores. But you NEVER hear about them. You only hear about the FEW cases that underqualified Blacks get accepted and overqualified Whites and Asians get denied. I just got accepted to UVA, and I am SICK of people saying the only reason I got in is because I'm Black. That is *****. I got in because I'm smart, and have a high GPA and SAT scores.
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<p>It's not based on motivation, it's based on SKIN COLOR. B<em>jerri</em>o, a white student with your qualifications would not have gotten in. Your African-American status was a major factor in your admission and you know it.</p>
<p>Look at the numbers folks! If you won't take the time to research the acceptance threads, just look at the results I provided above for some 2005 EA/ED URM's. I came to this site as a newby last year and learned alot, but I'm just amazed that so may people prefer rumors, hearsay and so-called personal or second hand examples over data. I'm glad the op knows what he wants and won't be swayed by all of the bad advice some posters are willing to give. Personally, when it comes to my D, I'll look at 2 years worth of actual admissions numbers on the schools of interest as a baseline and go from there, I think that'll be a lot closer to the real world than this constant tit for tat.</p>