chances 4 17 yr. old black man

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<p>wow, I am not a racist and I am not an ORM, but I think some of the things that are being said are truly disgusting. There is a HUGE amount of REVERSE RACISM being thrown around. </p>

<p>IT'S OKAY TO SAY THAT I WHITE PERSON WILL POUT AND BURN CROSSES BUT IT'S NOT OKAY TO SAY THAT A BLACK PERSON WITH A 3.3 WON'T GET INTO HARVARD?</p>

<p>I particularly did not like Ragnarok227's comment that Asian people who work hard and get good grades "are all the same" and should not be admitted. Excuse me, but that it complete <a href="mailto:cr@p">cr@p</a>. You think that just b/c people are black that they must have gone through some real troubles but you don't think that a Asian kid who (you know worked hard because he/she got good grades) shouldn't be admitted. </p>

<p>So many people here slam white and asian people with these reverse steriotypes.</p>

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<p>I did not mean it in that context.</p>

<p>I meant it as quantitatively there are many "clones" and it is a well known fact that asians tend to excel in math in science and many do play string instruments so when one of these asians applies he has to be really really strong to get in or have some unique trait. In short, </p>

<p>Asian #1 - 2300 SAT 2250 SAT II's math science EC with orchestra. Valedictorian</p>

<p>Asian #2 - 2100 SAT 2000 SAT II's with art, volunteer, writing EC's and other unique ones. Top 2%.</p>

<p>In my opinion, the second would get in because there are fewer applying with that person's type of credentials (unique), whereas there are many similar of the first.</p>

<p>Same thing with whites, but with minorities there are FEWER with high credentials so each has a greater chance of being unique than in the case of whites and asians.</p>

<p>I am in NO WAY saying hardwork is bad. I know the hell that some of these asians go through because I have several asian friends and EVERY SINGLE ONE plays violin and excels in math science with the exception of one. One of my asian friends has nothing but an empty room with a desk, light, pencils, and books since his parents force him to learn.</p>

<p>As for bad test taking, there is a skill, but it has to do more with familiarity with the environment and ability to endure the test (focus for 4 hrs). How many of you study at a desk with complete silence (the test room environment, sometimes) and do your work in one complete sweep? High test scorers often are intelligent and take the test in the same conditions that they normally work (all my 2200+ friends are like this). I myself change study areas frequently and work in blocks over the course of a day so I have trouble focusing for 4 hours, thus the SAT I testing environment is more foreign and uncomfortable for me. [Hell I normally study with music, my computer screen, while cooking my lunch/dinner, and watching the news. Silence bothers me a lot.]</p>

<p>Example. My SAT is a 2060ish, but my SAT II's are all 750+ and my Math IIC score beat my Math SAT I. It is probably because the SAT II is shorter and requires a little less concentration. I do know that the SAT II is more lenient with the scoring, but this is minor. I learned all I needed for SAT I math in freshman year, but I cannot get an 800 because of the way the test is formatted--I simply cannot concentrate for four hours.</p>

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<p>My basic argument is</p>

<p>your scores, race, extracurriculars, and awards define who you compete with when applying. The better of the clones gets in, and if your unique you can get in with lower stats overall because you have less "competition." This is, of course, only my own opinion of what determines admissions, but it seems reasonable to me; after all, why would all these amazing students with perfect scores get rejected?</p>

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<p>^^granted, but when you start considering "being black" unique just because that person is "being black", it doesn't quite add up. If he/she did overcome something tough, all power to him/her.</p>

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<p>NOBODY knows how much someone's race weighs in admission factors unless they are ones working in admission offices and rejecting and accepting applications. For all anyone knows, someone's race could be complete miniscule to the deciding factor. So all this, white, asian, black, hispanic stuff that people are carrying on about is nonsense. Until someone can say for sure, then all these theories are rubbage.</p>

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Asian #1 - 2300 SAT 2250 SAT II's math science EC with orchestra. Valedictorian</p>

<p>Asian #2 - 2100 SAT 2000 SAT II's with art, volunteer, writing EC's and other unique ones. Top 2%.

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<p>Too bad "art" and "volunteer" and "writing" aren't exactly that unique. In fact, compare them to technical research and playing in a youth orchestra. Which sound more impressive?</p>

<p>and of course, 2300 is a good SAT score.</p>

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<p>"^^granted, but when you start considering "being black" unique just because that person is "being black", it doesn't quite add up. If he/she did overcome something tough, all power to him/her."</p>

<p>Black does not mean unique, but it means you have a smaller pool of competition. Think of it this way</p>

<p>There are ten different types of possible students overall.</p>

<p>Total number of black applying to a school add up to twenty</p>

<p>Total whites = 50</p>

<p>the whites have more competition because there is less of a chance of being different since there is simply a larger pool when compared to the twenty blacks who have less competition over all.</p>

<p>"Too bad "art" and "volunteer" and "writing" aren't exactly that unique. In fact, compare them to technical research and playing in a youth orchestra. Which sound more impressive?"</p>

<p>Depends on the pool. If 75% of the applicants are in the research orchestra thing then it sounds less impressive. It is all subjective on the types of applicants, and I only used that example because it is a common stereotype that asians tend to be more math/science oriented (it is true to some extent).</p>

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<p>why do so many black people in my hood have to be so viscious and mean to us, mexicans? I've been pushed around too many times and have been called so many names as "puto, or "go back home to mexican world" It sucks</p>