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Math 550
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<p>Any feedback is appreciated.</p>
<p>That would be a reach.</p>
<p>i wouldn't say that.</p>
<p>direct admit - no - not happening </p>
<p>but you should definetly get into indiana. then just keep a 3.0, take the required classes and you're in the kelley school. </p>
<p>not being direct admit is not a problem</p>
<p>Caltech04 you're from CA? what part of socal? Im from Torrance, its near Los Angeles. What high school do you go to I might know it. Yea Direct Admit is not going to be a possibility but transfering in while you're here is quite easy and shouldn't be a problem.</p>
<p>how can you get A's and B's in your AP classes and perform so poorly on the AP tests? I would seriously question that if I were an admissions officer. You will get into Indiana but I don't think that a direct admission into the business school will happen.</p>
<p>I dont think they care about AP Tests...... Im not good at testing........</p>
<p>to say that you are not good at testing is no excuse to not get at least a 3 on AP tests. If you earned A and B grades each semester why wouldn;t you perform better on the AP test? I sense a ton of grade inflation at your high school and I would question your ability to handle upper level work. </p>
<p>That is what an admissions rep would probably say, and I'm not trying to be mean. You will still get into Indiana, but chances are slim for the business school direct admission.</p>
<p>Getting into Kelley (and out of Kelley--graduating that is) would appear to be easy, but it's more difficult than one may think.</p>
<p>Let me give you a quick example of why that is:</p>
<p>Look at the requirements for the school:
Between 26 and 70 hours of college course work
Applying to the Kelley School of Business for the first time
Completion of ENG W131 Elementary Composition or equivalent
Completion of three or more of the following courses with a minimum grade of C:
MATH M118 Finite Mathematics
MATH M119 Brief Survey of Calculus
BUS K201 The Computer in Business.
BUS X100 Introduction to Business Administration
OR
BUS G100 Business in the Information Age
(only one of these courses—X100 or G100—can serve as an admission course, and students may only get credit for one of them)
NOTE: All students who have met these minimum requirements will be considered for admission. In order to be accepted, however, students need to demonstrate consistent 3.0 (B) academic performance.</p>
<p>Seems simple, right?</p>
<p>However, one of the required courses for graduation is A100 Basic Accounting Skills--a course almost all Kelley applicants take in the first year at the school. A minimum of a "C" grade is required for graduation.</p>
<p>Here are the statistics on this course for the Spring Semester of 2006 (P.S. All course sections are taught by the same instructor, who is the only one who has taught the course for the past three years)</p>
<p>Students getting As (A+, A, A-): 238
Students getting Bs (B+, B, B-): 246
Students getting Cs (C+, C, no C- given): 249
Students getting Ds (D+, D, no D- given): 153
Students getting Fs: 126
Students dropping the course before getting a grade (usually because they were already getting a D or F at the midway point): 661</p>
<p>Note that 56% of the students either got a D, a F, or dropped the course.
I've looked at previous semesters and the statistics are similar.</p>
<p>I believe the point here is that the school uses this course as a "weed out" course for those who aren't up to the Kelley Business School "standard". The reason for this is fairly straightforward--there is only room for 1000 or so students per year to get into the Kelley school. By weeding the group down to 1400 to 2000 or so from the original 4000+ that want to apply, the school can easily weed the remainder down to the 1000 through the GPA and through other means. Also, by only allowing the top students to attend the school, the Kelley school is able to maintain it's USNW "top 15 undergraduate business school" ranking.</p>
<p>Taking this course while in the middle of Calculus, English Composition, an introductory business course and two other courses quickly puts the pressure on--especially when you know you need a 3.0 average at the minimum.</p>
<p>I'm not saying this is fair or not--it just is what it is. So be prepared to study hard if you come to Indiana and want to study business.</p>
<p>P.S. Note that once you get past the first test, you have a 70%+ chance of at least getting a C in this class--so it is my view that the instructor is doing what he can to get this group through. But it is also quite clear that he is weeding out the others without remorse. So, if you show effort at the beginning of the course you will get through, but without a large amount of effort, you will be one of those "weeded out". Also, if you don't keep the effort up, you are actually worse off that the ones that dropped, since then you will be the one getting a D or F.</p>
<p>I'm taking a Financial Accounting (101) class to earn local County College credits. Do you know if they would accept these credits?</p>
<p>Calcruzer, do you have any idea how many students at Kelley have taken Calculus 1 and 2? By Calc 1 and 2 I mean courses like this....</p>
<p>Calc 211 at Indiana</p>
<p>P: Two years of high school algebra, one year of high school
geometry, precalculus math (or its equivalent), and trigonometry; or
both M025 and M026. Limits, continuity, derivatives, definite and
indefinite integrals, applications, techniques of integration,
infinite series. A student cannot receive credit for more than one of
the following: M119, M211, COAS J113; likewise not more than one of
M120 or M212. I Sem., II Sem., SS.</p>
<p>And Calc 212 at Indiana</p>
<p>P: M119 and X201, or M211. Techniques of integration (by parts,
trigonometric substitutions, partial fractions), improper integrals,
volume, work, arclength, surface area, infinite series. A student may
receive credit for only one of M120 and M212. I Sem., II Sem., SS.</p>
<p>No one at Kelley takes Calculus. Rather they take "Brief Survey to Calculus" M119, as it is a degree requirement for the business school. You can take Calculus M211, but it is harder and not required.</p>
<p>I'm sure students at Kelley have taken AP calc in high school or calc at a community college. </p>
<p>Not too many?</p>
<p>thats what i did. i would guess somewhere around 40% of direct admits did likewise. but if they don't do it in high school, almost all kelleys take M119, not the harder ones.</p>
<p>Dstark,</p>
<p>If you do want to check out how many IU students took which classes and how they did in them, go to this site:</p>
<p>Then check out the course title and number (like MATH211), and the semester you are interested in.</p>
<p>For example, here's the results for MATH 211 for the second semester of 2005-6:</p>
<p>While this could be used to "grade shop", most students use it just to determine which teachers are way too tough and should be avoided. For example, if you look at the grades given in this Math 211 class in the semester shown, you'll see that R. Dascaliuc gave average grades of about a D+ (1.8 was the GPA for grades given in the class)--Ouch!! This would be a professor I would expect the students would want to avoid--at least for this class. Of course, one never knows if it is the professor, or just slacking-off students. For this reason, you can see that the school puts in an "Average student GPA" score. This is the grade point average overall of all the students who took the course. For the students in Dascaliuc's class, you can see that they averaged a 2.662. Unfortunately, I don't know if that included this semester, or just the semesters prior to the one shown.</p>
<p>Also, some people who are in the business school do take Calculus 211 if they plan to possibly transfer. For example, the University of Michigan and their business school will accept Math 211, but not Math 119. The Indiana University business school (Kelley) accepts either one.</p>
<p>Nyy, I would expect they would accept your community college class, but I can't say for sure.</p>
<p>Calcruzer, thanks for the information.</p>
<p>Indiana gives out more information than most schools.</p>
<p>I don't like that 1.8 average gpa. I agree. Ouch!!</p>
<p>I definitely used that Grade Information database. I originally scheduled a teacher, looked him up, and his average GPA was a 1.7! I had him because the class was in my dorm. I switched to another teacher because her average GPA was a 3.7, lol. Same class, just a further walk for a better grade.</p>
<p>BTW - I didn't know about Michigan not accepting M119. Crap. I may need to change my schedule. I had all Tue-Thurs classes too.</p>