<p>Awards/Ranks : 3 sports (not good enough to get recruited though)
3 Leadership positions
Internships
Own Business
Several National level awards for business proffesionals of america
All state orchestra's</p>
<p>hope to show my passion for business (eventually = ross)</p>
<p>People are saying in because of instate status......does michigan give
an advantage for instate? I heard they stopped doing that after they re-did thier admissions (affirmative)</p>
<p>Gpa is pretty bad overall.....good thing they look at only S and J year.</p>
<p>Also:</p>
<p>I know every year it gets harder to get in, but I heard UofM took too many kids this two years ago, and last year, so they're cutting back on the number of acceptee's this year and next year.</p>
<p>Will this make everyone's chances harder or will it not make that much of a difference?</p>
<p>It is true that the last couple years Umich has admitted slightly larger than average frosh classes...and it is also true that they will be tougher on admissions so that they can get their class size a bit more manageable...</p>
<p>i'd say your chances are a match...what holding you back a little is your gpa...but your act is good...and you got some good ec's...so that makes up for it...</p>
<p>Your ACT is awesome. You will not need SATs for Michigan. Your Freshman grades won't count and your Sophomore grades are ok, but not where you want them to be. However, if you can maintain that 3.9 GPA your Junior year, along with the rest of your credentials, I would say your odds of getting into LSA will be good. As for your chances at Ross, who knows?</p>
<p>The "advantage" for being instate is not what you think--U-M manages its resident and nonresident targets differently, so you are never going head-to-head with a nonresident applicant for a spot in the class. You are competing against other residents, just as nonresidents are competing with other nonresidents. The advantage you have as a resident is that there are far more spots reserved for residents than there are for nonresidents.</p>
<p>Badkarma, you definitely want to apply as early as possible. You are only a Junior, so you are right on schedule. I recommend you fill the online application in late August, have the SAT/ACT scores sent in at the same time and have your school send in your transcripts and recommendations as soon as school resumes. If you do that, there is a good chance you will get an acceptance by late September/early October...assuming you do get a 3.8 GPA your Junior year.</p>
<p>I know a girl who applied mid-December with about a 30 ACT, average EC's, and a top 5% GPA who got deferred at that time. If you have stellar stats, you will have no problem getting in in December, but otherwise, I'd highly recommend not doing it.</p>
<p>The out-of-state apps flow a little different. December feels a lot later for a resident than a non-resident. I don't know if chibears' acquaintance is in state or out-of-state.</p>
<p>It also depends on your stats. If you're a stellar student, you'll priobably still get in. They try to manage admissions in such a way that there is still room for great students after December. </p>
<p>Remember that December is when people hear back from their ED schools. These students can't even (ethically) apply until they hear "no" from the ED schools. Michigan would be foolish indeed if they admitted everyone by November 30 and couldn't consider any other applicants.</p>
<p>I do not work in admissions. I work with them, however, and others who deal with admissions issues. I work with analyses of the admissions process, application flow, general app quality, yield trends, etc.</p>
<p>Obviously much of the work admissions does (and that I do) is for the University's use, not for public consumption. So in that sense, yes, it's confidential. When it comes to admissions questions, I try to limit myself to clearing up misunderstandings and to provide very general information.</p>
<p>Regarding the ED admits (ivy rejects like myself): I read in the Daily that adcoms were quoted as saying they like to accept students who really want to come to Michigan over someone who doesn't express all that much desire to be here, this includes those who would rather be at ivies. Doesn't this hurt the quality of the school? I mean, I think we'd be better off with students who would rather be at Harvard but end up liking Michigan upon arrival rather than an underqualified applicant whose dream was to go to umich cuz he/she hardly had the stats to get in. I know that in my case, my app might not have shown much interest because I had my sites set on Stanford, but since I've been here, I've grown to love Michigan. The fact that admissions now looks at student desire has also been cited as a reason for the increased yield. Wouldn't we just be better off picking the best applicants and hoping they come here, even if Michigan isn't their first choice? We'd have more top applicants matriculating and we might also see that overenrollment problem decline. It just seems that all these December openings you're talking about kind of contradicts the attitudes expressed by the adcoms in the Daily article. I really hope they're more like what you've portrayed them as...desiring very qualified applicants who couldn't get in to a school like Princeton and may not think much of Michigan, but could still add a ton to the student body.</p>
<p>That's a good question/observation. With 25,000 apps, Michigan has got room to pursue both agendas. Of course they want to admit the highest quality applicants, and to the extent they can convert the ones who are top-notch but only see Michigan as a least-desirable school....that's a great outcome. But, on the other hand, it's also a lot easier to enroll the ones for whom Michigan is their top choice, who are totally gung ho. </p>
<p>I don't think an admssions counselor or reader is going to take a fabulous application and rate it low because the student doesn't seem interested enough. Those students' apps will always be highly rated, and will almost always be offered admission. </p>
<p>Among the other applicants, though--the truly solid, well-prepared ones who are good students but maybe not ivy caliber? That's where Michigan has to make choices. And among this group, they will favor those who apply earlier (they seem more interested, more committed) and may also favor the ones who seem to bleed maize and blue all over their apps. But they can't always tell about everyone--and they can't fill the class (at least not with adequate quality) if their main litmus test is "interest in the school."</p>
<p>I think they're exaggerating when they say they'd rather take them over an ivy-caliber student. Or maybe they are not exaggerating, but they're expressed a preference they can't, in truth, act upon. An adcom doesn't act that independently. A reader might "prefer" to admit the non-stellar kid who has been a Wolverine since birth, but if he trashes a good applicant for no other reasons than that she aspires to Harvard or MIT or Stanford, that's inconsistent with institutional interests (as you've identified). That's partly why Michigan uses more than one reader per app.</p>
<p>I bleed maize and blue and have my whole life- I love Michigan in so many ways but fear it didnt come across in my app. How does someone show what the adcoms allegedly want to see?</p>
<p>Chibearsfan, every university has a # of students who just don't want to be there. Those students are miserable and tend to make those around them miserable. Furthermore, they are unlikely to ever become productive alumni (spreading good words about the university, recruiting for the university and of course, donating money to the school). Besides, a person who thinks Michigan is not good enough for them probably has an attitude problem. In the end, I can see why the adcom wants to avoid such applicants. And no, they do not add any value to the student body, no matter how gifted they think they are. Like I said, Michigan thousands of very gifted individuals. A few more or less won't make a difference.</p>
<p>I've said it before, but every class at Michigan has students who think they're too good for the university. That's probably because the school, for better or worse, is a top safety. I highly doubt that the university's reputation will hold back a person who makes the most of his undergrad experience.</p>
<p>I strongly disagree with you Alexandre. Again, I wasn't too excited to come here at first, but I learned to love it and I'm sure many who had their sites set on the ivies would do the same. Also, a few more talented (ivy caliber) students makes a HUGE difference at this school because there really are very few of them. For example, I'm pursuing a math degree here at Michigan, and I've seen that only NINE students in the entire class of '08 love math enough or are good enough at it to pursue the honors math sequence to first semester sophomore year. tetrahedr0n, for example, will be one of those students next year. Students like him are EXTREMELY valuable to this university, because one student among nine makes a very substantial difference. For this reason, like hoedown said, the university cannot afford to look past a very talented student that expresses little interest in the university because he/she could end up loving it and being one of the few that truly excels in his/her field (like the nine math students mentioned above).</p>