Chances of getting admittted at William and Mary

<p>SAT: WR-600 M-720 CR-670
I will have taken five AP classes by the end of high school: AP US History, AP European History, AB AP Calculus, AP Statistics, AP English
GPA: 3.3
Rank: 42 out of 227
Extracurriculars: All-State Clarinet, Concert Band freshmen and sophomore year, Indoor Track freshmen year, golf team sophomore junior and senior year, Billiards Club Champion freshmen sophomore junior and senior year, National Honors Society, English Honors Society, over 140 hours of community service(mostly helping out with Special Olympics Golf and Basketball), Ambassadors Club, nominated to attend the National Youth Leadership Forum on Medicine
Work Experience- I work at a golf course during the summer
I'm out of state, male and a first-generation college student.</p>

<p>Your GPA is kind of low…</p>

<p>Not only is your GPA low, but your class rank is too low. The odds of someone not in the top 10% of their class getting in are 20%. </p>

<p>Also, this belongs on the chances forum and will be moved if a moderator sees it (just to let you know for future reference)</p>

<p>bump…</p>

<p>SATs are low, GPA is low, Class rank is low, rigor is average (no AP science is a minus). </p>

<p>Your ECs might push you over the edge, but as an out of state student I’d guess waitlisted.</p>

<p>i forgot to put in that i also raised over $800 dollars for the Make a Wish Foundation over the summer</p>

<p>Also that i go to a very challenging private Catholic School</p>

<p>Catholic school will not help. There are lots of more challenging public schools in Northern Virginia.</p>

<p>Virginians with 2100+ SATs (averaging 680 or above on each), 3.8 or above, 7+ AP courses, and tons of ecs do not necessarily get in either so do not feel bad if you do not get in.</p>

<p>Very challenging school doesn’t really help you too much because they want you to excel in you’re environment, whatever that may be. Private school just shows you had the resources to do well (tuition usually means good home life, some spare money, etc). That’s a wonderful thing that you did with make a wish (that is not supposed to sound sarcastic at all, it’s genuine), lots of applicants do wonderful community service and excel extracurricularly (as you did). </p>

<p>If you’re in state, possibly, I’d compare your scores to those of your classmates and see who has gotten in in the past. For instance, my OOS public high school people with average (any by average I mean 93-95 GPA) grades and high boards get in over people with great grades and average boards. </p>

<p>Then again, what do we know? Good luck and keep your fingers crossed.</p>

<p>While your GPA is low, your test scores are within range - certainly not low enough to bump you out of contention. (The Writing score is not counted). Being a first generation college student certainly helps. The unknown is how your application “told your story”, and that is probably quite significant.</p>

<p>But it doesn’t really matter…you will know this week. I wish you the very best of luck!!</p>

<p>Great test scores, 1st generation will help you a lot, and great EC’s. Rank and GPA are low, but it is certainly not impossible. W&M often looks beyond purely quantitative data when considering applications. Don’t listen to all of the other people telling you that you are doomed because your numbers are lower–if you put a lot of effort and personality into your application, W&M is much more likely to have given you a closer look. But don’t sweat it-- you can’t change your application now.</p>

<p>We do want to clarify that we take school context into consideration. Whether or not your school is public or private, Catholic or secular doesn’t matter but the rigor/competitiveness of your school, the quality of its students, the courses it offers are all taken into account. There are some high schools in which one B can put someone outside the top 10%. In such cases we may go outside the top 10% to take students. So the school you go to does provide us useful context for assessing your transcript.</p>

<p>So does that mean that being in or near the top 10% is essentially a requirement for admission?</p>

<p>Last year 79% of admitted students were in the top 10% of their class. When you figure that at least some of those were recruited athletes etc, you can draw your own conclusions. But, yes, I would say being top 10% is “essentially” a requirement for admission.</p>

<p>@Carpe, I don’t believe so. Yes, W&M is a competitive school. But, I think what the representative was trying to say is that some schools are so competitive, having only one B on your transcript can put you out of the top 10%. This is the case with my school. The current senior class had a requirement of a 4.25 or above to be in the top 10%. My school is extremely competitive. So, seeing that your school is competitive, they will factor other things besides class rank in the admissions process. Hope this clears things up for you.</p>

<p>Ditto TehLove. Being in the top 10% is not a requirement and we do evaluate your courses and GPA and SAT/ACT within your school and regional context. However, what other posters are also saying is that due to the highly-selective natur of our admission process, most of our applicants are in the top 10% and being so does help to make you more competitive in our admission process.</p>

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<p>I have a question. Is class rank more important or course rigor? My counselor says the latter.</p>

<p>My brother, who is a junior, had tough time adjusting to HS during freshman year. Although the classes during freshman year are relatively easy, he did poorly. end of Soph year and junior he is coasting with A’s in AP’s and has a 2310 sat. Yet his poor freshman year makes his cumulative GPA a 3.7/4.3 and as a result, his class rank goes down. Although he has proven he can take 6 AP’s and get A’s in them, there are others who did stellar fresh. year and are now struggling. Yet they have higher class rankings than he does. </p>

<p>So how does this all workout in admissions process??</p>

<p>@Eagles 94, both course rigor and academic performance (often measured by class rank) are important to us. We also look at grade trends and we certainly prefer to see grades improve throughout high school rather. There are certainly students in our applicant pool who take good courses and get good grades throughout high school (oftentimes why our pool is as competitive as it is). But we look at so much more than grades/rank/rigor. We look just as much at more subjective factors (personality/passions/leadership/background/talent/etc) so whether or not a person is admitted is a result of all of the factors. If your brother is interested in W&M, he should apply, even if his class rank is lower than he’d like. If it’s just his class rank that is out of line and everything else is amazing we could very well admit him. If other factors also don’t stack up, he might not be admitted. But he should at least try, he certainly won’t get admitted if he doesn’t. He should just go in with reasonable expectations (we admit only about 1/3 of our applicants so no one should enter selective admission processes suc has ours and assume a great outcome – the odds just don’t allow for that).</p>