Yeah, good point. It’s helpful to have some background on these kids. Chicagobaby’s brother is an ILRie at Cornell, where he probably has better grades considering Chicagobaby revealed that he has a 2.7 at UChicago in another one of his postings. Me thinks someone thought college would be easy because their “stupid” brother could cut it and now they’re frustrated and taking it out on the internet. Don’t worry, Chicagobaby. Study hard and I’m sure you can get your grades up. Maybe you can ask your brother for some study tips… ;-)</p>
<p>I don’t get the point of those “the worst Ivy league” posts. I got into Cornell and I am a person who values ranking and reputation highly. However, Cornell is a good school and I LOVE IT. I was upset by those posts for a month. however, I believe that if I keep positive and work hard, use all the opportunities that Cornell would offer, it’s possible I will be as successful as those people from HPYSM. I want to impress people with my own personality and abilit instead of relying on the school i go to.
these kind of posts really can depress people and Cornell is really a good school!</p>
<p>“However, it’s reputation is tainted by its state schools…the elites who are familiar with the different universities know about them and see Cornell as less prestigious as a result. Of course, they won’t go around saying that as that would seem unprofessional and tactless (in fact they will say “wow, congrats” instead to your face for formality’s sake because it would be awkward if they just said “oh ok” when you’re expecting something more) but they do THINK it.”</p>
<p>Translation:
“I’m a pompous elitist. I only like private schools. Any school that is partly affiliated with the state sucks, but I won’t say it to your face. Instead, I’ll vent my angst by ■■■■■■■■ on a forum.”</p>
<p>The last part implied that you either:
A) Spoke for the entire “elite” community of the entire world
B) Can read minds. “they do THINK it”</p>
<p>The top like 10-15% of students might not be too different, but the difference can be seen when comparing the average students of both colleges. It is much, much harder to get an A in an engineering curved class than an A in an aem curved class. The lower median grades play a slight role, but this disparity is mostly because there is indeed a difference in the quality of the average student in the classes.</p>
<p>This disparity has to do with the fact engineering courses are generally more rigorous than business courses at virtually every college in the country. It is probably easier to get an A in an English course in CAS than a bio course (which often has many CALS students). That has nothing to do with CAS vs. CALS so much as English courses are generally graded more generously than science courses.</p>
<p>^Obviously some stereotyping was involved. But, humanities courses are generally easier in the grading schemes, if nothing else. I say that after taking severe upper div English courses.</p>
<p>You guys, what is so wrong with the reality that Cornell IS prestigious for both commoners and the “elite”-- it’s just that for the elite, it’s considered less prestigious overall. But again, it has prestige for both. I mean, do you guys disagree with that? The fact that you care about this issue so much makes me think you care a lot more about what the elite think than what the masses think, true?</p>
<p>my SN is supposed to mean “I am class of 2014, baby” not “2014baby” as most of you have interpreted.</p>
<p>I do have a 2.7 but I’m proud of it because I earned it taking hard courses. My brother slacks of and gets like 3.5+ lol. No hard feelings…in the end, he will realize I got a much better education ;)</p>
<p>“You guys, what is so wrong with the reality that Cornell IS prestigious for both commoners and the “elite”-- it’s just that for the elite, it’s considered less prestigious overall. But again, it has prestige for both. I mean, do you guys disagree with that?”
I can’t speak for others, but I would have to disagree. Why do you even care so much about prestige? </p>
<p>“The fact that you care about this issue so much makes me think you care a lot more about what the elite think than what the masses think, true?”
LOL What kind of crap reasoning is that? I care about EVERYONE’S opinions equally. I don’t care more about opinions of the elite or those of the “masses” (I love the way you said that, btw, as if you are so high and mighty) and vice versa. All opinions are equally valuable.</p>
<p>“my SN is supposed to mean “I am class of 2014, baby” not “2014baby” as most of you have interpreted.”
What you meant is how I interpreted. Just saying.</p>
<p>“I do have a 2.7 but I’m proud of it because I earned it taking hard courses.”
Awww. You want a cookie?</p>
<p>“My brother slacks of and gets like 3.5+ lol.”
You do mean “slacks off”, right?
Oh yeah, and it’s so funny. </p>
<p>“No hard feelings…in the end, he will realize I got a much better education”
POMPOUS ELITIST</p>
<p>This debate is old. It seems to be coming from kids applying to or in the state contracted colleges at cornell. Understand this, the state schools are distinct and specialized. Yes, they don’t have the super stat applicants and low admit ratios like CAS at Cornell. They don’t really have the cross applications with the likes of HYPS, Brown Dartmouth for students like the CAS at Cornell does. It’s because CAS is an Arts & Science college, exactly like HYPS, Dartmouth, Brown, etc. The state contracted schools are much different, still they are very prestigious even if admission is not as difficult as CAS.
Again, I must ask why is it that only Cornell applicants/students have this debate about prestige? I don’t think it is coming from the CAS or Engineering kids who by Cornell’s own stats are their most selective, numbers and admit rate wise. I think it’s either coming from ■■■■■■ who were denied admission or from those who are in the state contract colleges and need to say they are just as good. Newsflash: You are just as good, just in a different kind of college at cornell, which overall is a first rate university.</p>
Well, you’ll find out soon enough that no one (“elite,” “commoner,” or otherwise–the very fact that you use archaic terms like these tells me a lot about you) will find a 2.7 very “prestigious” no matter the college you’re in or the courses you took. Try to stop knocking your brother (and, as a consequence, an entire University you’re not even familiar with) because of your own insecurities and study a little harder.
Can you point to specific examples of Cornell students “having this debate?” I haven’t seen it, but I’m only a student here, so I’m sure you, being a high school senior, would be able to shed more of a light on this.</p>
<p>The rigor of the course should be irrelevant if the class is curved. Because if it is, your grade depends on how smart everyone else is compared to you. Ask any engineer who also took non-engineering classes and they will tell you the same (if they’re honest). I know B- average engineers who told me that they came out of aem tests thinking they failed but ended up 1 std. deviation above the mean. The only explanation I can come up with is that they were comparing their bad performance on the tests to similar situations in their engineering classes, and were surprised to find out the rest of the class had done much worse.</p>
<p>I don’t seem to understand what your goal is…you constantly bump up threads where I have been playing the devil’s advocate and repeatedly post the same comments about why Cornell is the only school that does this and how although its state schools aren’t as selective as their counterparts, they are still prestigious and have intelligent students.</p>
<ol>
<li>I don’t get where you stand on these issues since you seem to agree with both sides.</li>
<li>I feel as if you’re enjoying watching me vs norcalguy/moneydad/applejack, etc. and so
have been constantly bumping these threads with the same exact comments you’ve
been posting for days just to spur on this “battle”.</li>
</ol>
<p>@norcalguy
It seems that you keep bashing me by twisting what I say to fit your argument, but never respond when I actually respond back to you. You just look for my next opinion and continue bashing.</p>
<p>@wavedasher, I actually think your posts are basically accurate.
I was just trying to end the debate, but no matter what, people keep posting.
I think everyone makes a good point whether you agree or not.
No more posts from me on this one. Let’s see if you can do the same.
Have a nice night.</p>
<p>I know which schools are contract / endowed. I was using architecture as an example of why different types of intelligence work for different fields that can’t necessarily be quantified across schools. Also, the Veterinary School is not in CALS, if that’s what you were suggesting.</p>
<p>Universityin2015 (says it all…) - nobody’s having this debate about prestige within Cornell. It’s just you and two other outsiders who keep bringing it up, so we have to keep shooting it down. I run into Cornell people all the time where I live and no one’s ever even mentioned it.</p>