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Thank goodness. Your ignorance was astounding.</p>
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<p>If you’re talking about me, sorry to disappoint you, but I actually go to Cornell. You are sorely mistaken if you think the debate on prestige doesn’t happen in Cornell. Just ask the new provost Fuchs. He mentioned in the Daily Sun not too long ago that he noticed Cornell’s reputation was declining and thus has implemented a program (Reimagining Cornell) with the goal of getting Cornell into the top 10 of any ranking. I don’t know if it’s going to be through increasing the selectivity of the state schools, but there have already been major budget cuts and mergings between departments, so at least something’s being done about it.</p>
<p>I’m so glad that someone with the power to actually do something about this has finally seen the light; also proving that I’m not the only one who cares about Cornell’s future.</p>
<p>^ Except you forgot to mention that he got a lot of beef for it…</p>
<p>Wow. Obvious ■■■■■ (I highly doubt you actually go to Cornell after reading that post, but I’ll indulge you). “Reimagining Cornell” is strictly about cutting the University’s budget. The only time I’ve ever heard “rankings” mentioned at all in the context of “Reimagining Cornell” is in the discussion of allowing some colleges (contract vs. endowed was not mentioned in this context at all) to exceed their transfer enrollment caps, thus bringing in some more money. Obviously, this affects our “ranking” in that it means larger class sizes, etc. Honestly, do you really think the University is cutting programs and considering merging departments, literally the STATED PURPOSE of the initiative…to help its ranking? The fact that it is obviously about the deficit Cornell is staring down notwithstanding, doing things like cutting a department’s budget or eliminating it completely like they did with theater and education would, if you follow any sort of rational logic…HURT Cornell’s ranking. I swear…</p>
<p>On top of all of that, it doesn’t even have anything to do with our issue with you–that you keep saying Cornell students “mostly those in the ‘state schools’” have an inferiority complex. You literally brought in something entirely irrelevant, made up some crap about “increasing the selectivity of the state schools” that doesn’t make the least bit of sense, and then, after spending all this time taking backhanded shots at who you claim to be your fellow students, said you “cared about Cornell’s future”. Such BS.</p>
<p>Yes, applejack is right, you three are the only ones perpetuating any of this nonsense.
[YouTube</a> - She doesn’t even go here!](<a href=“She doesn't even go here! - YouTube”>She doesn't even go here! - YouTube)</p>
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Oh, and if you think Fuchs is talking about the USNWR rankings in this line from the Sun interview (which I’m assuming you’re referencing, even though your post suggests you didn’t read the other 98% of the piece), you’re so sadly ignorant that I can’t even waste the time explaining it to you.</p>
<p>Malan89, you sound like a nice person. But honestly, (and no offense) I think it is you that have an inferiority complex. Here you are, a reported freshman, and you have nothing better to do than talk about the issue of the state colleges vs. the endowed. Come on, enough already. Next thing you’ll be saying is that you would have gone to Cornell over Princeton - and actually have yourself believe what you say. Or say something like I would not have gone anywhere except cornell and applied ED. Who cares! Again, no offense, but we all (including you) have better things to do with our time than this stuff. Maybe wavedasher is right, maybe not. I don’t know. I do know that there is this constant battle over image at cornell, something that is basically non-existent at all the other ivys and top schools. You don’t see this going on in Brown threads. I don’t know which college you are in at cornell. But it makes no difference. They are all excellent. If you are one of those people who think that the people in the CAS at Cornell are snooty because that college is more selective or higher stats or they also applied to HYP or whatever, don’t worry about that. All the cornell colleges are excellent. As has been said here many, many times, the state colleges at cornell are not designed with similar curriculums as HYPS and those types, as is CAS at Cornell. still the state contracted college grads from cornell seem to do very, very well for themselves. So just let’s stop this and move on. If you are on break, surely you have better things to do with your time than waste it debating on cc about an issue that is real old. Enjoy the recess from college and do something instead of this. CC is good for high schoolers and parents. College kids have more important things to do. Cheers.</p>
<p>Best not to respond. Don’t feed the ■■■■■■.</p>
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<li><p>I wasn’t, actually, talking about you.</p></li>
<li><p>You misunderstand the purpose of Reimagining Cornell. It’s a response to the economy and how to streamline the university to function better on less money. </p></li>
<li><p>His ACTUAL statement, which is far different from what you suggested:
“The competition [for rankings] is becoming increasingly world-wide, the number of competitors is increasing, and if we do not work to enhance our reputation I believe it will actually decline,” Fuchs said.</p></li>
<li><p>I agree with Fuchs’ actual statement. I think Cornell’s reputation either is slipping or could slip (hard to say at this point) for no other reason than other universities are rapidly improving their reputations so, relatively speaking, it appears to be in decline. Either way, that has nothing to do with contract / endowed colleges (they’re all private; none are state run) since Cornell has always had that structure, so there’s no correlation.</p></li>
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<p>Nevertheless, bring on the $4 billion fund raising effort and the push to get Cornell firmly established in the top 10 (perhaps 15 globally). I don’t see it as a top 5 school - I don’t think it’s built that way - but with some targeted effort it could definitely be consistently top 10 in any of the metrics as well as general public perception.,</p>
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I’m not “debating an issue”. There’s no issue here, just misinformation. I’m trying to set the record straight because I came to CC when I was searching for colleges and I know a lot of people, oftentimes people that don’t even post, read this stuff to try to get an impression of the school from current students and alumni. It’s very troubling when other high school students or (apparently) even the random current student perpetuate a false, negative impression of Cornell and make up nonexistent controversies whether they be an “inferiority complex” of contract college students, a suicide epidemic that has half the student body jumping into a gorge, or any of the other stuff that you see literally exclusively on CC.</p>
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That doesn’t even make sense, but I’m going to shoot it down. Once you actually get to college, you’ll realize that more “prestigious” /= more success. I wouldn’t have fit in with the student body at Princeton, neither would most Cornellians. I wouldn’t be able to study what I am here at Cornell at Princeton, neither would most Cornellians. Because of these two things, I wouldn’t be able to make the grades I’m looking to make at Princeton. Combined, I’m 100% positive I’d have a more enjoyable college experience at Cornell and will end up coming out more successful. Honestly, if this is the way you’re approaching the college search process…I wouldn’t advertise it, as you’re exactly the type of person colleges don’t want because you either don’t know yourself well enough to know what kind of school is right for you or aren’t doing the research to figure out where you’d fit best and are just applying to a copy of US News.</p>
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You’re right. It was most valuable to me when I got to hear input from people that actually know what they’re talking about–current students and alumni. We have quite a few over on the Cornell boards and that’s awesome. I’m glad that alumni like norcalguy take a few minutes out of their day to help out prospective students and, in this case, correct misinformation, but I can’t speak for you.</p>
<p>Just because I want something to come of this thread…
most Cornell students couldn’t even tell you which colleges were contract and which were endowed, simply because no one cares save for the New Yorkers trying to save some money. Occasionally, in a very comfortable setting like a group of friends, an engineer or a premed (coincidentally, most of whom are in CALS) will, in the process of complaining about their insane workload, lightheartedly pick on an English major, or a Hotelie, or a PAM major, or–no matter the college–literally all of the business, humanities, and social science majors that invariably have less work to do than them. But that’s not any different at any other college in the country. Hard science majors are going to have the most work, period.</p>
<p>A little off topic. Could somebody answer the following question.</p>
<p>I would like to know if an individual with an engineering degree from Cornell can get recruited by a top wall street firm? I would think an engineering degree from Cornell is viewed as respectably as a business degree from other ivy colleges(Princeton, Dartmouth, Columbia etc).</p>
<p>@malan - I just read your response to longcoatman.
No matter what, you won’t stop posting and resist any attempt to stop this nonsensical debate.
You say you (and most Cornellians) would go to Cornell over Princeton, and I think you actually believe what you say. Five points can be made: First, although you have not stated so, you must be in one of the state contracted colleges, which are specialized in nature and offer programs which are not based in the arts & sciences. Second, you obviously have not looked at the cross admit data that shows what happens with applicants cross accepted at Cornell and HYPS and the other ivys. Check it, I don’t think you’ll like what you see. Rarely does Cornell win the cross admitted applicant. But please don’t make a generalization that “most cornellians” would take Cornell over Princeton when you know its not true or even close to the truth. It is not what the data says, but you probably knew that and were just hoping that you could say something and people would believe it. Maybe that is true of some of the students in CALS, or Ecology or Labor Relations (that they would not choose Princeton), but it is not and never will be a generally true statement as concerns students in the College of Arts & Sciences - never. Third, you need to understand that going to a state contracted college at Cornell is fine. Just be glad you got in and have the opportunity. No need to have a complex or anxiety over it. Just chill out. If that’s the college you wanted, then you are in the right place and stop stressing over it. It is only the College of Arts & Sciences (and somewhat the college of Engineering) at Cornell that really gets cross applicants with HYPS etc… Fourth, its unfortunate that kids in the state contract schools continually see the need to justify their college choice and say that it is as good as the Arts & Sciences at Cornell. Fifth, it makes no difference that the Arts & Sciences college has a much lower acceptance rate and higher stats with their applicants. The state contract schools are different and much more specialized, but equally prestigious and you should be proud that you go to one of them instead of engaging in this nonsense and waste of time. Sixth, when you get a chance, look through cc and you will see that it is basically the kids in the contract colleges at cornell that engage in this nonsense regarding elite status etc.<br>
Finally, instead of responding to this, just enjoy your vacation. If you really think anything here is not accurate, then I’ll make it easy so you can just chill out - “you are right, everything you say is great and everyone else is wrong.” Hope that works for you. Enjoy that vacation and good luck in Cornell.</p>
<p>"Fourth, its unfortunate that kids in the state contract schools continually see the need to justify their college choice and say that it is as good as the Arts & Sciences at Cornell. "</p>
<p>No, what’s unfortunate is that a few individuals, mostly not associated with Cornell, feel the need to come on this board and assail their college choice, call or imply that their choice is “lesser”, and therefore put those people in the ridiculous position of needing to defend the outstanding programs they matriculated to. </p>
<p>From everything I experienced and gather, this is not a huge issue at Cornell. To make it one here is misleading to prospective applicants.</p>
<p>“it makes no difference that the Arts & Sciences college has a much lower acceptance rate and higher stats with their applicants”</p>
<p>You’re making it sound like the other colleges are tier 4s. This is not the case. They are each selective colleges in their own right. There are some differences, but they are not large enough to justify anyone in CAS concluding that they are just so special. And most don’t feel that way,actually, IMO. CAS has fine students, but as a whole they have neither the lowest admit rate nor the highest academic stats on campus. Nor do they necessarily have the interests and abilities to thrive in all the other colleges. Talent at Cornell comes from all over.</p>
<p>My nephew finished with engineering no job! Went to medical school and will start his rotation in a few months.</p>
<p>monydad, you and I agree on everything. The state contracted colleges at cornell are excellent. but the College of Arts & sciences at cornell and the engineering college are constantly being looked at as very prestigious compared to the state contract colleges, amongst those in and out of cornell, just look at the posts here at CC for the last 5 years on the subject. I think that is because (as has been stated here many times in the last 5 years) CAS is much more like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Brown etc - which are colleges. of arts and sciences. That is my personal opinion.<br>
As for the admit ratio, you may want to check the stats on that as well.
Of the large colleges at cornell, Arts & Sciences is by far the most selective (again because it is an arts & sciences college - meaning application overlap with HYPS.
no matter what, Cornell and all of its colleges (endowed and state) are amongst the best in the nation. You will never convince me otherwise.
<a href=“http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf[/url]”>http://www.dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf</a></p>
<p>There has to the best of my recollection actually NOT been that much talk along these lines on this sub-forum, prior to the last week. Most of the talk concerns some of the colleges being somewhat easier to be admitted to, that’'s all.</p>
<p>As for the admit ratio, someone seems to be posting these repeatedly lately as if they discovered something. I reported last August that these updated stats had been posted.
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Architecture has a lower admit % than CAS, I understand AEM does also. ILR, Ag, and engineering are all 20-22%. These are all quite selective, in my book. Hotel and Hum Ec are also selective, in the general scheme of things, at 26% and 31%. None of these numbers are anything to be ashamed of. Yes 16% is closer to 8% than 20% is, but it’s closer to 20% than it is to 8%. These are not all that hugely different, like you’re making them out to be.</p>
<p>good points, but I was referring to the “large” colleges as indicated in my post.
and AEM is not a college.
yeah, the admit rates are all very selective and close for all the cornell colleges. but for the large ones, CAS, CALS, Engineering, … Arts & Sciences is the most selective - having an admit rate closer, but not equal to HYPS etc. that is only a product of the fact that arts & sciences at cornell, like Harvard, Yale etc are arts and sciences colleges and they get cross applicants, meaning more selectivity and higher stats. no matter what anyone says, that does not make the state contract schools any less prestigious in my book even if they are slightly easier to get into. all (and I mean all) of cornell’s colleges are excellent, not just its arts & sciences college.</p>
<p>It would be really helpful, for the sake of following the discussion, if everyone would try to use the same account every time they come back to post. Now, this obviously isn’t directed at anyone in particular…</p>
<p>The question is already elitist in itself. Seriously, what gives you the right to call someone else a commoner? Your parents’ money? Your education that your parents got you with their money? Your royal blood?</p>
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<p>Huh? Obviously income. there’s inequality in every society…</p>
<p>Besides all I hear Cornell people saying is “ohh why do you care what average Joes think as long as top companies are impressed?”…well guess what, that is elitism too.</p>
<p>^ I don’t think it’s a very good idea to post that in a forum of a university that has a School of Industrial and Labor Relations…</p>