<p>I didn't miss it -- the posts overlapped -- End of discussion.</p>
<p>Look, you are a drunk at the age of 18. Is that a good thing? I really don't think so. I am sorry if I misread your post, but the way I read it it was saying (paraphrasing) "we don't try to get too drunk, it just happens." That is exactly the point. You are making stupid choices and things like this can happen depite your best efforts to maintain you alcohol consumption. Even if you and your friends are good at "watching eachother's backs," nothing is to say that you will all get trashed before someone notices, leading you all to a very uncomfortable night. I hope that does not happen to you or your friends, but I am shocked by the fact that you are trying to defend your situation as a person who drinks often, especially considering the situation.</p>
<p>Also, learn some respect for your elders, no matter how much older than you they may be.</p>
<p>I am a drunk? What gives you the right to make that statement? Do you know me? I don't think so. Kids in college drink, we are not all drunks, very few of us are alcoholics. You don't drink (you've posted it before) so stop making ignorant sweeping statements and misconceiving my statements. If I were trying to maintain my alcohol consumption I wouldn't go to parties where everyone was drinking. Me drinking a great deal of alcohol on occassion does not make me a drunk. I choose to drink, I choose to get drunk. When we're drunk, stupid things can happen. They don't happen all the time, but that's the risk you run when you partake in the mainstream college life style, so stop being a self-righteous prick, thanks. </p>
<p>I'm not defending what (name of Cornell student) did. Obviously that situation could have and should have been avoided. I've been in situations like that before; I know friends who have called 911. Cornell has medical amnesty, so there is less hesitancy to call an ambulance when a friend might be in danger. </p>
<p>Don't impose your values on me, either. I don't respect elders who make vague death implications and neither should you. You equate seniority with permission to be rude to younger people?</p>
<p>"Damn right we go out to get drunk."</p>
<p>Didn't you say that?</p>
<p>I have friends who drink, and I have seen what alcohol can do to people. I care about my friends, so I--as a person who does not drink-- go to parties with my friends who know I do not drink. This way, they have nothing to worry about because they know I can watch out for them (So they do not need to worry about getting dangerously drunk) and then later give them a ride home. I am not an ignorant person when it comes to alcohol. My choice not to drink is simply that, my choice not to drink.</p>
<p>I said that after you miscontrued my other statement and misquoted me, thanks buddy. Our sorority has something called "sober monitors". We have at least 3 sober people at every event to make sure things like this don't occur. Most houses have the same policy. If you're not ignorant stop acting that way and calling me "a drunk" when you don't know anything about me. Stop talking to me, this entire debate is based on you misquoting something I said. End.</p>
<p>Ok, I'm sorry for calling you a drunk. I used that phrase instead of saying "you are a person who habitually becomes drunk." I do not mean to depict you as a young person (lady I assume, considering you are in a sorority) stumbling around campus with a bottle in your hand. I did not mean it like that. I am sorry for being aggressive and for offending you--this is just a touchy subject for me (obviously).</p>
<p>I am sorry.</p>
<p>i think what lucifer would have to say about all of this would be to not use the situation as an excuse to generalize about college students and drinking. he seemed to me to advocate really thinking about what you say and questioning what others say, and i hope that you all respect his memory by following those tenets</p>
<p>moreover, i suggest that this thread be closed out of respect for lucifer, since it has developed into a question of blame
the discussion is one of merit, but should probably be continued in a separate thread, away from the original story</p>
<p>My thoughts are that the best way to respect the deceased student would be to keep the thread open so that other people can learn from his experience. At least then, his unnecessary death won't be a total waste.</p>
<p>People should read things like his CC Jan. post which I copied below. That may cause some students and parents to make better decisions in their own lives. The post was him arguing on parents forum with a mom who is a doctor who warned him that what he was doing was life threatening. </p>
<p>"I am ignorant? I can tell you, both statistically and anecdotally, that it is very rare and comparitively hard for someone to drink themselves to death. Me and my friends are all very experienced drinkers, and we all know exactly how we get when we drink too much, so we go by those signs. For those we don't know as well, we ensure that they throw up (so they don't absorb any more alcohol from their stomach) and are responsive and reasonably coherent to make sure they won't die. Given the huge number of teens who drink, and the amount that many teens drink combined with the risky drinking patterns inherent in teen drinking (chugging, taking lots of shots before you can even fully feel the first one, the list goes on and on), and the relatively small number of pure alcohol (i.e. stopped breathing) deaths compared to both the number of drinkers and the number of people who die from drinking and driving, it is clear that drinking is usually only problematic when combined with driving. Honestly, that's why I like drinking with experienced drinkers - it is MUCH harder for someone with a tolerence to drink themselves dead than it is for a drinking novice who has no idea of how to drink and also has no tolerence.</p>
<p>Don't try to intimidate me with medical facts; I know most any alcohol related fact backwards and forwards. I don't take blind risks, and I'm fully aware of the risks I take with drinking. In my mind, the benefits of drinking - the fun, the camaraderie, the burn of that first shot - vastly outweight the costs (I've paid my dues for drinking in a number of ways). I learned as much from drinking/partying during high school as I did from classes (and I took 14 APs), not to mention that while a lot of the things I learned in HS I'll never really use again (i.e. chemistry), I'll always use the skills I learned from drinking/partying (how to read a situation, a lot about people in general, etc.). You're every bit as ignorant as you accuse me of being, quiltguru."</p>
<p>Northstarmom, I wonder if his parents have seen this. Even if they had known about it, I doubt anything could have stopped the self-destruction. The irony of this post is overwhelming. </p>
<p>For someone who was so smart and such an accomplished athlete -- and who like others on this thread had the whole world ahead of them, thanks to getting a Cornell education, this is truly a tragedy. Not only was his posting arrogant (as is another on this thread), but it's horrible to note that with this post that he wrote his own obituary.</p>
<p>While I agree this thread should remain open, it should probably be moved off the Cornell discussion to a more general one, so more people can share in it.</p>
<p>Thanks again, Northstarmom. Another note about the last line of the post: There's an old saying that you can't argue with an ignorant person. Or with a dead one either.</p>
<p>This whole episode just breaks my heart!</p>
<p>According to one of the articles, his father is a doctor, and mother a former lawyer. And it quotes his grandfather as saying he struggled with problems with alcohol in the past. So I am guessing his parents were very aware, and that much of his knowledge about alcohol had come from them. I feel so very, very badly for his family.</p>
<p>What a moron</p>
<p>calling him a moron, is being too harsh...
though i find the whole thing sad... i dont exactly sympathize with him...alcohol ruins so many lives :(</p>
<p>Drinking yourself to death is about as smart as sticking your head out at on a rollercoaster. It's also a pretty embarrassing way to go, especially considering his attitude.</p>
<p>What is the point of stating it's a pretty embarrassing way to go? What person will be blushing once he's DEAD.</p>
<p>Yea, shizz, that's an awful point, he's dead. Regardless of how moronic what he did was, there's no need to keep insulting the guy, have some respect.</p>
<p>yea seriously. a boy is dead. it is absolutely horrible you are calling him a moron. none of you know exactly what happened including me. also, obviously hiimanalcoholic's name is just a joke--why would anyone who was really an alcoholic use that as their name? people drink in college-- there is no use trying to persuade them not to. the only thing you can do is be as safe as possible and always drink with friends and never go to sleep if there are signs of alcohol poisoning. obviously lucifer was an experienced drinker (you can tell that he did it a lot from his posts)--something terrible must have gone wrong and there is no way calling him a moron is going to make it better. let him rest in peace.</p>
<p>and on that happy note, i'm saying the thread should be closed (and stickied?) because it's getting a little bit ridiculous IMO</p>
<p>highschoolsr260 is one of the few people here with any common sense..</p>
<p>looks like we've got a Christian fundamentalist on our hands, whatup Slorg?</p>
<p>yes, this thread needs to die.</p>
<p>It's a very unfortunate incident and the PC police needs to take a suppository chill pill. I hope this incident serves as a deterrent to unabashed arrogance. </p>
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<p>It's a very unfortunate incident but the PC police needs to take a suppository chill pill. I hope this incident serves as a deterrent to unabashed arrogance. </p>
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<p>Experienced enough to know when to quit!</p>
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<p>No one's trying to make "it" better. It's just calling the situation what it is.</p>
<p>Shizz, there is also such a thing as showing respect for the dead. Besides, is there such a thing as being in control when one is drunk? Getting drunk is stupid...dying because of it is downright tragic. Anyway guys, I am going to close this thread soon. There is very little more we can say on this sad subject.</p>