<p>guys its really nice that you guys love cornell (i like it too) but *** is the point of this obvious circle jerk... like they are both good schools, who cares which one is ranked better.</p>
<p>Well u have to remember that slipper is biased as are you, Figgy.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is probably slightly better than Cornell if you only consider the undergraduate programs. Overall, however, Cornell is more superior.</p>
<p>slipper1234 wrote:
"Dartmouth is practically not even eligible since it DOESNT HAVE GRAD SCHOOLS. "</p>
<p>Dartmouth does have graduate programs. Check this out:
<a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/home/campus-comm/students/grad/%5B/url%5D">http://www.dartmouth.edu/home/campus-comm/students/grad/</a></p>
<p>slipper, 2 of the 3 links you posted dont work. </p>
<p>no matter what you think is "wrong" about them, peer assessment scores measure what other people think about the schools. It doesn't matter if you or anybody else on here thinks that Northwestern is better than Michigan - because the results from a very large and expansive survey puts michigan ahead of Northwestern. </p>
<p>"Looking at majors like biology for its graduate ranking is irrelevant, what gets you into grad school is a great overall reputation and research opportunities"</p>
<p>Too bad Cornell's biology program is among the best in the US (also for most other majors). Cornell's overall reputation is on-par-if-not-better than darmouth's (as revealed by more peer assessments - these are what really matters). Also, the presence of grad programs is what fuels undergrad research, and it is heavily abundant at Cornell. Though professors often do research, so do PhD students, and it's easy to tag along with one of these students for extra research opportunities. </p>
<p>I agree that Dartmouth is a fantastic school, but a student's criterion for selecting between Dartmouth and Cornell should be of fit since prestige differences are too negligible. I think the upper hand goes to Cornell, though I am much more informed about the school and the opportunities available to undergrads. To the OP, visit both schools, choose on fit. Cornell is larger and will offer more courses, clubs, and research opportunities and Dartmouth is smaller more LAC-like than big university-like. You wont go wrong with either.</p>
<p>Please stop this inane discussion. Both are good schools and if you are fortunate to be able to attend either, you will have the opportunity to take advantage of excellent programs at either school. You could also go to one of these prestigius schools, rest on your supposed laurels, party to excess and waste your opportunity.</p>
<p>What you will soon realize after graduation is that where you attended college, in and of itself, will have very little to do with the success you attain in your life. I can also tell you that wasting one more brain cell or molecule of emotion on the college rankings of USNWR or anyone else is a 100% waste of your time and utterly meaningless.</p>
<p>+1</p>
<p>holy **** you guys are lame</p>
<p>dartmouth? are you crazy?</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Dartmouth's rank isn't even close to Cornell's for business is it? Hotel, ILR, Engineering, architecture, and so on easily beat Dartmouth. </p> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>Dartmouth doesn't have undergrad programs in IR, hotel, business, or architecture. The point is that Dartmouth is basically an UNDERGRAD school like Amherst or williams and that UNDERGRAD reputation is what counts. For example, Dartmouth's Tuck graduate school of business is much better than Cornell's but guess what, it doesnt matter!! It has ZERO impact on your experience. </p>
<p>When you guys say "biology program" guess what, its irrelevant. Imagine a place where all the professors research is focused on you, no grad student distractions. Sure, it means its hard to argue that its a better education on paper, but the end result is that the professors write better recommendations and you get much more direct experience. The results (rankings, placement, etc) reveal themselves. As for Dartmouth's grad programs they are VERY limited. </p>
<p>More top firms recruit at Dartmouth and a higher percentage of kids end up at better grad schools, that's the bottom line.</p>
<p>In the end, it comes down to whether you buy into the large research university model (which wins at graduate ranks, wins in international reputation, wins in nobel prizes) or the prestigious top LAC model (wins in grad placement, recruiting, undergrad research opps, undergrad focus, domestic reputation).</p>
<p>LAC's don't necessarily win in grad placement, look at HYPS (which are large, research universities, i guess?). If you eliminate those, well then I guess what you said makes sense. But technically, if you eliminate the top universities you should eliminate the top LAC's too, like Williams and Amherst. And then what are you left with? omgad psychobabble i just blew your minds.</p>
<p>Listen to dillon's great advice.</p>
<p>"More top firms recruit at Dartmouth and a higher percentage of kids end up at better grad schools, that's the bottom line"</p>
<p>i dont know where you get these numbers. The only part of Cornell that is similar to dartmouth as far as majors is concerned is Arts and Sciences - the rest are typically specialty schools that dont require grad schools and stuff. It wouldn't be wise to compare Cornell as a whole to Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Also, since when do more people recruit at Dartmouth? Can you post some numbers so I can understand where you're comming from (just to make sure it's more than just speculation). </p>
<p>Also, I would argue that Cornell's sheer size and diversity allows for more undergrad research opportunities. Personally, I have found it quite easy to get involved in research and I currently get paid for it. </p>
<p>Also, I wish to end the debate too, though I would like to correct places where slipper is wrong just so students looking at the two schools dont get the wrong information.</p>
<p>The med school placement is high, I believe 88% if you have 3.4+GPA. I don't get the argument that slipper is making about Dartmouth being small and hence you would get a better experience there compared to being at Cornell. If you really cared about that, you would take the initiative to go see professors after class and go look for research opportunities by yourself. You are old enough that you don't have to have everything spoon fed to you.</p>
<p>Also I think slipper is underestimating undergraduate research. Practically everyone I know who is a science major is doing some research here. Although it isn't required, it's very common.</p>
<p>Lastly, I think graduate school rankings are relevant for undergraduates because quite a few undergraduates take graduate level courses during their junior and senior years. Cornell simply more classes to offer.</p>
<p>ok im glad everyone is mature enough to terminate the conversation once they realize its futility.</p>
<p>It always helps to clear things up, though, so that there is no more misunderstanding.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>this is all I want to do. If the OP finds Dartmouth to be a better fit, then fantastic! All I'm here to do is to give my opinion on why Cornell and then to fix up any false misconceptions that some people may have that may disuade them from applying.</p>
<p>I love big schools. I'm probably in the minority in that regard. But I love the fact that I can meet new people every day. I love the fact that there are so many seminars and research projects going on. I love finding out about halls that I never knew existed (yes, even as a senior I still have classes in buildings that I didn't know were on campus). Cornell is obviously larger than the other Ivies and most LAC's but smaller than most state schools. To me, that's the best balance.</p>
<p>I would say what kind of experience do you want? Base it off of that. Dartmouth is good and Cornell is good (awesome in my personal view), however, both have their weaknesses and strengths. Both are feeders to top grad programs and successful careers. First GET IN, and then Start arguing about it. Getting into Cornell or Dartmouth is not an easy task.</p>
<p>One may scoff and say that Cornell's 24% admittance rate is high, but the self-selection of Cornell's applicants makes admission very tough. Engineers have to beat out other engineers, hotelies other hotelies, ILR (a lot of NYers if you're out of state), AEM (brutal competition), A&S (General but still tought). </p>
<p>Both are rural, and one has more research opportunities, base it off of that, however, one is smaller. Do you want an LAC or a research univ. I chose Cornell, but seriously, only you can decide which is one is better, but still, first get in.</p>
<p>K so I didn't wanna make a new thread about this, but I was assigned to read this article about history that was pretty long that I really liked and was really philosophical and guess where the writer was from, Cornell! I was like wo awesome</p>
<p>I don't think Dartmouth has a better reputation in the US (or internationally) than Cornell... o_O</p>