<p>I don't think so - if you read the thread here (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=154477&highlight=dean%27s+scholars%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=154477&highlight=dean%27s+scholars</a>) at least one Asian posted as having received the letter. I think the focus of the scholarship is on diversity in experience, not need.</p>
<p>@Coffeetoffee06: No it has nothing to do with diversity in race or culture, it has to do with more of what undecided07 said. Also, I've been talking to Jackie1015, and she is white and got the letter. I really hate when people play the race card for benefit or in order to prove other people don't deserve the things they earn. Don't bring that into this, especially if you have no idea what you are actually talking about.</p>
<p>I don't know exactly what the dean scholarship is, and that's why i was asking if it involved minorities. i never said that it was just for minorities, i was asking.
i don't like it when people use the race card either, so that's why i was curious when it was titled "diversity"</p>
<p>Although the "race card" can easily and thus is often misplayed, we are all smart individuals and know what a significant factor it is/can be in this process. SO let's not be racist (of course), but let's also not be naive and avoid hiding behind proclamations of racism. Now could someone PLEASE find out definitively what this thing is? I, as I'm sure most of the rest of you are as well, am sick of
I think", "I guess" and "it seems". Thank you.</p>
<p>Congrats to everyone!
Coffetoffee646, I also don't think it has much to do with race, although I am a minority(indian), I wouldn't be considered an URM.</p>
<p>I guess i misunderstood the title...there are just so many diversity programs at colleges now that i assume it was racial diversity. don't worry, i'm not a racist, i just worry that colleges put too much emphasis on race. I didn't even mark my own down on the common app. So, now that we know it isn't based on ethnicity, what does "diversity in experience" even mean?
like matzah, i'd also like to know...is the award based purely on stats?</p>
<p>Can you get presidential if you don't get DEAN?</p>
<p>Seems like this is a relatively new thing, because Google turns up no relevant results for the search phrase "Diversity in Experience and Academics at New York University," despite the year-old thread linked a handful of posts above.</p>
<p>barberconcerto, I have no doubt that Presidential Honors is availible to you, even if you didn't get this new-fangled DEAN-thing. :) Based on my experience in Scholars, I doubt everyone in the program would've qualified for DEAN. As far as I can tell, the only requirement for Scholars is being in the top 5 or 10 percent of the entering class.</p>
<p>How is the top 5-10 percent determined? Thanks for the info, btw. :)</p>
<p>I received a letter and an email and my mother received a phone call about this today, needless to say we're all amazed. I had never heard of this, and didn't fill out an application, and then this comes out of the blue, rather exciting!</p>
<p>During the call my mom said the person said that I have the scholarship and that I'm admitted. The letter was confusing to me too, but that might clear it up?</p>
<p>Wow, never been to New York, applied to NYU because it sounded cool, it's in New York, and they've got an Irish Studies minor, wow :)</p>
<p>P.S. I'm a white male from Wisconsin, so I doubt that race or ethnicity play into it, for those who were thinking it may.</p>
<p>Again, what criteria is used to determine Presidential Scholars?</p>
<p>barberconcerto:</p>
<p>Did you try looking up "presidential honors scholars" on the NYU website? I don't think you did the research for yourself, because the relevant information is very easy to find. I quote, "The top five percent of the entering class is invited to join; students may also apply for entry after they have matriculated, having demonstrated superlative academic achievement and a consistent record of leadership and service to the community." </p>
<p>They don't specify what top five percent means. I asked an admissions officer point blank why I, out of all the talented kids here at NYU, had received a top scholarship, and she simply said, "Well, you must've been in the top of the top five." The moral of this story? Don't expect anyone, not even an admissions officer, to break it down in a formula for you.</p>
<p>As an aside, I hate lecturing people on and on about this, but frankly, many of the questions asked here could be quickly answered through a search of the NYU website. (I'm addressing this to new and potential NYU students.) If you're unwilling to do the work, or so technologically unsavvy that the search function wasn't apparent to you, then I worry that you may struggle here. You've got to be quick on the ball to come up with solutions to your own problems, and expecting others to hand you the answers is very unrealistic.</p>
<p>true, shades, but sometime its good to get an answer from an nyu student. sometimes they know some lesser known facts.</p>
<p>Uh, my original question was "how are the top 5-10 percent determined"...If you don't have an answer, don't answer, and even better, if you don't want to answer, don't answer. There are plenty of helpful people on this forum who like answering questions, and many people use this as a first stop for info, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that.</p>
<p>That aside: does anyone know how the 5-10 percent are determined (I'm ignoring shades_children's post that says that it's impossible to find out)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>barberconcerto:</p>
<p>At first, you asked, "How is the top 5-10 percent determined?" Then, you asked, "Again, what criteria is used to determine Presidential Scholars?" I believe the questions are different, and I answered both to the best of my ability. The criteria used to determine Scholars is top 5%. Since an admissions officer wouldn't or couldn't interpret "5%" for me when I asked her in person, I don't think anyone who has any say in the decision will tell you on an Internet message board.</p>
<p>I'm sorry that you didn't find my answers satisfactory. Since you're still looking for answers, I hope someone else will give you what you want.</p>
<p>I didn't mean to be snippy, shades. Thanks for your time in responding. I just know that sometimes certain people have different/more info b/c of different circumstances, etc and can provide more information. Anyway, thanks though.</p>
<p>I haven't taken the time to read every comment on this thread, so if this was covered I apologize.</p>
<p>If you did not receive a notification of the DEAN sholarship (with invite), do not give up hope. My son is in the program (2nd year). He did not receive a letter or invite to campus and had resigned himself to his backup school. He was literally just about to commit to his backup when he received notification in late April of his DEAN scholarship offer. I can only assume that some of the earlier awards were not accepted and he must have been on a wait list or something.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Congrats to DEAN scholars. Please post your stats. Thanks</p>
<p>I copied this from my post in the Georgetown forum (accepted EA) and modified it a bit so the essays would match.</p>
<p>Stats:
SAT: 1st time: CR-740, M-660, W-650, Essay-9. 2nd time: CR-720, M-650, W-710, Essay-11
ACT: 32 (English-29, Math-29, Reading-36, Science-33)
GPA: ~4.1 unweighted
Rank: at end of junior year: 6-235
Other stats: 5s on APUS and AP Psych
Subjective:
Essays: Bio: talked about my teaching English in Hungary, attending Boys Nation, desire to join Peace Corps, and work for in an international field. Generally, my plans for the future and how they came about.
Short answer questions: really allowed my personality to shine through
Teacher Recs: One from my APUS teacher, was phenomenal even though some of his memories are a bit exagerated from reality, nonetheless, he rated me among his "top five students in ten(ish) years of teaching APUS"
Another from my Pre-Calc teacher who I work with on the School Board, kinda, it was good but more generic.
Counselor Rec: havn't seen it, but she recommended me for Boys State, which led to Boys Nation, and we generally get along very well
Hook (if any): applied from a smallish school in Wisconsin, Boys Nation, strong desire to work internationally(if those count as hooks)
Location/Person:
State or Country: Wisconsin, US
School Type: normal, run-of-the-mill highschool with 1000 students and most of senior class going to state schools
Ethnicity: White
Gender: Male
Other Factors: Um, mock trial, student council, nhs, forensics, french club, summer school teaching... generally heavily involved and having a part-time job</p>
<p>Thanks DublinDoogey.
I have not received scholarship offer from NYU yet. The admission office can not find my SAT record from Collegeboard and just ask me to fax my SAT scores in. I need this DEAN.</p>
<p>SAT=2180 (m:800,w:720,r:660)
GPA=4.7 (3.98 uw); public school; rank 11/600
Male; Asian; California</p>