<p>oh no i completely mistyped that, i did write all my essays, what i meant was i was going to write another essay about why i want to go to wm, as opposed to just having other people write more recs etc.</p>
<p>oh, if you think you're being an ass there's really no need to apologize because you clearly dont mean it because your willing to admit that you are an ass, maybe you should try giving people the benefit of the doubt instead, interesting many other people have commented on this thread and only you have picked up on my typo, i guess you look for things to be an ass about, people with nothing better to do with their time amuse me, 473 posts wow</p>
<p>blondechild, just curious: Did you visit W&M? If your sister goes there, I'm guessing that you have, many times. Did you interview? On your application, did you submit anything for the optional "be yourself" essay?</p>
<p>With a 1450, I can't imagine that your scores are too low. But if that's what you were told, I can't pooh-pooh it. My daughter's in the same boat, OOS from NY. She applied RD.</p>
<p>i have stayed in my sister sorority house multiple times, however i did also take an official tour early this fall, went to an open house day, and did an interview this summer (the interviewer was a good friend of my sisters) i also did the optional essay, im taking the sats again in jan i guess that's all i can do</p>
<p>Blondechild-I don't read this forum very often but my daughter was told that oos girls would be the MOST select group ever this year! She is oos, a Murry scholar nominee and has 10 credits at W&M and was also told that she had to have ap calc bc in 12th grade for her application to be read by W&M. Good luck to you but our school gc says oss girls really need to have hyp stats to stand a chance. My daughter got into her ed school so we'll never if she would have gotten in.</p>
<p>i know, thanks for the input, what stinks is that my sister got in four year ago, with lower sat scores, lower gpa, less aps, and less ecs. I just wish is wasnt a state school, congrats to your daughter, ap calc bc didnt even run this year at my school due to lack of interest so thats just great</p>
<p>Well the good news is that you can't take it if it isn't even offered. They will understand that if your gc told them that! Good luck! It is such a wonderful place! My daughter thinks that she might do her junior year abroad at W&M. They offer a very cool history program. Time will tell.</p>
<p>I find it very disconcerting that an admissions person would tell someone who was deferred that the reason was the SAT score. Equally disconcerting is the statement that unless someone took BC Calc as a senior than his or her application would not even be read. That goes against everything I know about W&M. Of course, we all know that OOS need high scores and a strong hs curriculum, especially girls, but to eliminate someone on one criteria seems very out of place for this school.</p>
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<p>I also find this troubling. For one, it discriminates against any candidates who happen to be English or history whizzes rather than math geniuses (not that one can't be both, but that's a lucky occurrence).</p>
<p>I also find it problematic if this is something of a hard and fast rule that no one is told. For instance, if we had known this to be a fact, my daughter would not have submitted her application to W&M, saving money and enabling her to apply to some other school where she might have had more of a hope of getting in.</p>
<p>I am hoping that the BC Calc requirement doesn't apply across the board and that W&M's approach is more holistic!</p>
<p>i dont know how much this helps, but i was accepted </p>
<p>My maths:
9th: geometry honors
10th algebra II honors
11th: Precalc honors
12th. Calculus (Regular, not even AB)</p>
<p>our school was 4 for six so far and two kids besides me in my regular calc class got in. now, that being said, I AM INSTATE MALE (exact opposite of what yall are talking about here), but i really don't think W&M will make it mandatory for BC calc. i mean if they were a really intense engineering school than maybe, but W&M and engineering are not synonymous. besides, i know a girl from MD who got in taking AP stats in sr year. </p>
<p>as for W&M being holistic, i believe that they are more holistic (i cant think of a better word) than other universities.
Being a VA resident, i looked at UVA in addition to W&M. according to my schools naviance server (GREAT INVENTION), UVA is strongly influenced on GPA. if you had a so-and-so GPA, you were accepted, so-and-so, deferred etc.
W&M looks at everything as a whole more, and also looks at the essays w/ weight. i had a pretty bad GPA, average-high SATs, but i think that my essays/teacher recs made up for it.</p>
<p>None of the 4 people accepted ED from my daughter's school this year (including my daughter) are taking BC Calc. My daughter and two others are in AP Calc AB and the other is taking AP Stat. I don't believe for a minute that if you aren't taking or don't take BC Calc that W&M won't look at your applications. I would seriously disregard that rumor. Would low SAT's affected your acceptance, probably but not taking BC Calc...no way</p>
<p>I am not trying to make people more crazy than they are already. We were told about W&M wanting the "highest level of math offered at your school" at an information session by an admission dean. He said that they would hold oos people to a higher standard. One girl in the group even went back and forth with him about AP Stats instead of AP Calc. He told her that they wanted Calc if it was offered. She pushed him and he got kinda upset and told her that they want calc if it was offered at your school. That for oos kids it was going to be a deciding factor. I'm just telling you what he said. I don't have any idea if that's what they do. I hope that every oos kid who gets in this year will post what math class they took in 12th grade. Of course he told us that it is much easier to get in from in state. If they don't offer Calc at your high school then you have nothing to worry about.</p>
<p>I currently live in Monroe Hall (freshmen), and I can tell you that the first semester, a sizable chunk of the hall was enrolled in Math 111 (Calc 1). Take that for what you will, but most of those people had not taken Calculus at their respective high schools, and I find it hard to believe that none of their schools offered it.</p>
<p>That being said, I can understand why having taken the highest Math course available at your high school could help you, and how not having taken it could hurt you.</p>
<p>First of all, out-of-state students are going to be held to a higher standard than in-state students because W&M is, after all, a public school that limits enrollment of OOS students. Second, female applicants are going to face more competition than men because there are more females that apply to colleges. So while the earlier comment about female OOS applicants being held to a higher standard is true, it shouldn't be surprising and it's no different than anywhere else.</p>
<p>Also, in regard to the math rumor, I highly doubt it is true. Selective schools want you to take the highest level of any subjects offered at your school to show that you are challenging yourself. However, I have a hard time believing that an institution that places little emphasis on math and has a very weak math department would choose math courses as the gamebreaker for the admissions process, especially since history and government are among the most popular majors. I have had a similar experience to inchoative - most of my dormmates had not taken advanced mathematics courses in high school. Most aren't even taking calculus courses here - Math Powered Flight seems to be the easy way out of GER 1.</p>
<p>That said, let's take a look at your chances of getting in RD. Your SAT M+V is 1450, which put you in the top 25% of ED applicants this year. Your SAT I scores aren't holding you back; you haven't posted your SAT II scores so I can't comment on those. Your UW GPA of 3.9 is great assuming you're on a 4.0 scale... but how is your weighted GPA only 4.1 with all those honors and AP courses? How are honors courses graded?</p>
<p>My guess is that your application was deferred because of your extracurriculars or your essay, at least from what I'm reading here. Your scores and grades appear to make you a solid applicant, but these days you need something to push you over the top - especially if you're an OOS female. With regard to extracurriculars, colleges prefer depth over breadth. You appear to be involved in a fair number of extracurricular activities, but colleges will want to know how involved you are, what kind of leadership roles you've taken on, and so on in that tone. Likewise, your essay should reveal something about yourself that they wouldn't have picked up on elsewhere in your application. Lastly, if you've played varsity lacrosse for 4 years and you plan to keep playing in college, you should be talking to the lacrosse coach. Coaches often have considerable pull with the admissions office, especially for prospective students they would really like to have play on the college's team.</p>
<p>java,
with regards to sat II's Math I 740, Us History 670 but a 5 on the AP exam, Spanish 720. I too thought my sat scores were high enough, but I was told specifically that a 1450 was not high enough for an oos female ed applicant. </p>
<p>Also with regards to the ec's I really didn't elaborate very much on this forum, but my activities as a csc officer emcompass (sp?) multiple other organizations. I organize and coordinate all food, clothing, etc. drives at my highschool and dedicate multiple hours every week, which was elaborated on in my common app short answer. Also I play lacrosse for three teams, one of which i drive an hour and half to for practice, which was also apparent in my application. I did communicate with the lacrosse coach, and visited, but William and Mary recruited a significant number of offensive and defensive midfielders last year, which is my posistion. They were looking for defense and a goalie this year, two slots that I could truly not fill. Also there was pressure from administration, to recruit in-state lacrosse athletes for the upcoming school year.</p>
<p>In terms of the GPA, i believe my unweighted gpa would probably be higher, however at my school you are only allowed to take 2 honors as a freshmen, and ap's are not permitted until your junior year. With that being said, an A in a regular class during my freshmen year as a 4.0 is ultimately pulling my gpa down. If freshman year was not included my unweighted gpa would be more like a 4.2 or close to a 4.3. Honors etc. are weighted as a 4.3.</p>
<p>Finally, I thought my essay was great, but if someone didn't really like my personality, then I guess there is nothing i can do about that. I'm sending another letter in the next coming weeks about why I want to go to wm along with my mid year report, with all a's and one a- most likely. Thanks for the input.</p>
<p>"*However, I have a hard time believing that an institution that places little emphasis on math and has a very weak math department *"</p>
<p>The school is putting a greater weight on the mathematics these days when it comes to admissions decesions, more so than they were even doing five or so years ago.</p>
<p>...and contrary to what you seem to think, despite the absense of a PhD program, the mathematics dept is fairly strong.</p>
<p>No, the mathematics department is notably weaker than other programs. In an odd way, this might make the admissions policy sensible... get the math before you come...</p>
<p>No, the mathematics department is notably weaker than other programs</p>
<p>That's not what you said originally, nor is *this *claim correct. Care to substantiate your claim? I'm really curious as to what you're basing this on, esp. given the strong placement record of the dept into top 5 PhD programs, notable profs, and decent publication record given the nature of the dept.</p>
<p>get the math before you come? You don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.</p>
<p>W&M does not emphasize math, nor do they have an exceptionally strong program. Fewer than 1.5% of students pursue a mathematics major and those that don't rarely take courses beyond Calculus I or II or a subject-specific statistics course if needed. It is also ridiculous that "Math Powered Flight" fulfills the quantitative reasoning GER.</p>
<p>My comment was based on the supposition that W&M is indeed requiring Calculus of applicants - which if you read my comments carefully, I said I strongly doubt. But if they are for some reason, it might make sense to choose students who have already completed the mathematics requirement through AP courses, because doing so would relieve pressure on a department that is either weak or stretched thin.</p>
<p>Actually, if you're going to cite statistics, you get to substantiate. Name your source for the placement records, as well as the profs you believe are notable.</p>