<p>^^^ I do believe asians (well at least chinese) are more racist than others, particularly those from mainland china. It is an absolute epidemic there, a cultural norm. Racial supremacism is not a typical cultural norm here in the Northeast, but in China, it is ingrained in society.</p>
<p>I am Chinese btw…</p>
<p>^ I am also of Chinese descent, and was in fact born in China. I have written essays and given presentations on the specific, self-defined phenomenon of multicultural racism / racism within non-white communities, especially instances of Chinese-black prejudice that I have witnessed, and drawing upon my several years’ background in sociological anti-racism discussion (self-educated). I am well aware of the problem. But I absolutely do NOT believe that Asians are MORE racist on the whole than any other race, just expressing the sentiment in different ways unique to Asian cultural mores.</p>
<p>Regardless, I’m rather in shock that your argument for more Asians being rejected is because they are more racist than white people (and presumably blacks and Hispanics/Latin@s are less racist than white people, since they have an easier time gaining admission to elite schools). Most instances of Asian racism that I know of would not be in any way visible to adcoms–certainly not on their applications, and not ever expressed in a public arena like school.</p>
<p>The admission may have bias but
you may have competitive advantage over other kids here, just because
you’re asian american kids as you know one other culture well. If you can speak
Hindi/Mandarin/Japanese/Korean/Cantonese, that’s another advantage.
Think global, and apply oversea colleges as well.</p>
<p>You can apply top British Universities or other global top universities if your grade is excellent, or universities in Australia, Canada.
Or better, definitely have advantage by applying universities in Asia (e.g. univ. in HK, or Singapore etc.uses English as teaching media).
Their programs costs less but provides a solid education for you and they’re reaching
out to international students, especially top Asian students.
In 15 years later (4 yrs education + 10yrs work), imagine the opportunities in Asia/Europe.
If you can speak French/German/Indian/Korean/Japanese/Mandarin. Think about if you’re an american indian or chinese, know both English, Hindi and Chinese well with business/engineering degree.</p>
<p>For Asian universities, this may be an opportunity to get American talent. Also make business sense
even they charge a little bit less than US$50,000 per year.
but this depends on how their programs are structured and marketed in a way to win the heart of parents and students.</p>
<p>For parents or others, think about donate money to Asian Universities. They may need money to build a new program.</p>
<p>Or if you’re interested in graduate studies later, even you’re not accepted to
enroll in their undergraduate programs, you can later apply to their graduate programs.</p>
<p>Check this out:
#of undergraduates #of graduates
Harvard 6678 12552 (includes professional studies)
Stanford 6532 11301
Columbia 5667 15139
Yale 5277 6168
MIT 4153 6146
Chicago 5065 7722
Duke 6496 7564
Caltech 921 1205
Source: CollegeData.com</p>
<p>Last, still apply your dream Ivy college but also consider to apply to overseas top universities. Understand your advantage, discuss with your parents too.</p>
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<p>Well, no one at Duke thought that. In their opinion, Asians only were slightly behind whites in “personal qualities” and still higher than blacks or Latinos.</p>
<p>Just because you’re Chinese doesn’t make your opinion any more relevant.</p>
<p>1vys23rch, alternative options are irrelevant to the issue of Asian discrimination at elite colleges/universities. The point is not that they will get by; the point is that it appears many Asian students were/are discriminated against, and THAT IS ILLEGAL.</p>
<p>sanguinity, it is fine to say that your neighbor or yourself is something, but not to generalize to the entire race. The Chinese do not think that they are superior, but rather not inferior than the other races. They have this believing to keep them against all the odds to get this far. I was shaking my head when I heard the Chinese Premier said on TV that Chinese were among the elite races. Lucky nobody here could understand what he said. It is not because they think Chinese are better, but equal to others. When Hong Kong returned back to China in 1997, all the westerners thought that how Hong Kong became what it was, but on the Chinese minds, they thought about how they lost Hong Kong 100 years ago.</p>
<p>You are rejected from HYPS, or other schools simply because you are not qualified, in any sense. It could be your character flaws, as you don’t even love yourself, how do I believe that you will respect others?</p>
<p>^^^ I am confused by your relative incoherency.</p>
<p>Let’s assume Asians are racist and deserve to be discriminated against. Is there any evidence to show that URMs are not racist or less so?</p>
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What MLK actually said:
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. "</p>
<p>Now, let me pose the question of how you possibly see this thread as a firebrand for whiny Asians to nag on how they are especially entitled to elite school admissions? I honest to God don’t understand your argument. How are you drawing these inferences? What is wrong with quoting MLK, especially since what he said contradicts with elite college admissions, job opportunities, and hell, the attitude that pervades American society?</p>
<p>hey, it’s just the way it is. if asians are discriminated against, let it be. nothing much you can do. if asians aren’t discriminated against, then great.</p>
<p>Boy! You must inspire lots of people pigs. </p>
<p>I wonder if you were mentoring MLK what you’d say?</p>
<p>Sheesh</p>
<p>pigs, you are an ideal example of why racism is still so prevalent in this world. Laissez-faire is a terrible social policy.</p>
<p>racism will never die, sadly
that’s just the way it is.</p>
<p>; ( Im asian, i guess im going to the community college then</p>
<p>WHACK…WHACK…WHACK!</p>
<p>The sound of beating a dead horse.</p>
<p>I’m not sure if I would want my daughter going to school with most of you. So angry at the world for being so young. Take a deep breath and embrace the positive in your life.</p>
<p>Stress kills.</p>
<p>^ Ironically, you’re not exactly bringing in fresh air into the thread.</p>
<p>“Get over it. Move on. Life’s not fair. Live and let it be. Who cares. etc etc etc…”</p>
<p>I don’t see anything wrong with a little bit of debating; what’s wrong with challenging what many believe to be a corrupt system? If there’s anything that NEEDS to be beat into this topic (as well as any other issues) it’s that complacency is impermissible. Not being on one side or the other, not even being neutral, but recognizing the existence of a problem and completely neglecting it.</p>
<p>Debate and a little banter are good, however if you are so passionate about this, contact the PRIVATE institutions that you are angry with and let them know how you feel.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>GA2012MOM,</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on Jian Li? Three years ago, he filed a complaint with the OCR, thus roughly doing what you suggest. For daring to challenge the status quo, many parents here vilified him as bitter, egotistical, and entitled. Do you feel the same way?</p>
<p>Sometimes the simple answer works.</p>
<p>Chief Justice Roberts: “The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”</p>
<p>Is that really too much to ask for from these institutions? </p>
<p>The problem with what goes on now - racial discrimination - is that it allows these elite institutions to scoop up the highest scoring desired URMs and put their pictures into their brochures and hold this very small number of students up to the world as proof that they are diverse and we are progressing toward a multi-cultural world that is diverse at the top echelons of education. The unfairness to Asians is just one sad consequence. The other is that the real problem facing many african-american and hispanic students lies in lousy K-12 education systems and a pervasive culture that undervalues education. I don’t think that the racial discrimination policies of elite schools are helping the entrenched social inequalities faced by these students in any significant way.</p>
<p>In fact, this thread could be viewed as strong evidence that the discriminatory practices of these institutions are fomenting resentment in our society and setting back any real advancement toward a civil society with true racial justice.</p>
<p>I agree with Roberts - racial discrimination is wrong no matter what your reasons for doing it.</p>
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<p>When I was a student, Duke and Brown were no where as “elite” as they are now. How they get here is a lesson worthy of any college to emulate:</p>
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<p>In short, turn the place into a finishing school for the rich and famous and the plebeians will follow, hoping to “catch” a spouse, a job, or simply to bask in their “glory”. This works in the UK as well. We can all remember the surge in applications at St. Andrews, particularly among Americans, after Prince Williams (?) decided to matriculate.</p>
<p>The role of the “minorities” is of course to “serve” the institution. They help to make the place more “appealing”, and thus, more scions of the rich and famous will, hopefully, choose to attend. This helps to set up a “virtuous circle”: the more scions, the more “elite”.</p>
<p>The ORM are there to keep the SAT and GPA high enough to warrant the ranking, to represent the school in academic competitions (the Putnam comes to mind) etc.</p>
<p>The URM are there to make the scions look good academically. Lets face it, how many scions want to go to Caltech and have their self-esteem trashed? Furthermore, they are also necessary to keep the Al Sharptons of this world from storming the ivory gate, something that scions are not interested in happening to “their” school.</p>
<p>This is, to me, the “real” meaning of diversity.</p>