<p>...that some of the people on this forum who will arguably end up at Berkeley or LA are incomprehensible, cannot write coherent sentences, have no concept of grammar and don't know how to utilize spellcheck? </p>
<p>Understandably (though highly dubious), some of the forum members may be genii in the math and sciences but that wouldn't explain the bad grammar and it's a little scary to think that they write and read sentences written with numbers better than they do sentences with letters.</p>
<p>I say it lowers the curve for everyone else at Cal, LA and UCI. And I would also like to say that I absolutely agree with your statement. Now let us get flamed by the cc transfers.</p>
<p>I say you’re being really elitist. Do you really feel good about yourself now? This kind of attitude is what I’m afraid of seeing when I transfer.</p>
<p>No. I will be ecstatic if I am going to be competing for an A with people who believe “chillin” is a word, do not know how to use punctuation, and abbreviate you, people, and probably on a consistent basis.</p>
<p>Cling on to that elitism, man. It will come in handy once you get here. Really.</p>
<p>Now, the fact that my cohorts cannot identify a Cabernet Sauvignon from a Merlot arouses a very particular but intense anger in me. Alas, such is the state of my fellow student, lost in a maze of completely undeserved unpretension. They do not understand that they must *earn *the ability to be free from pretension, they cannot assume it.</p>
<p>Excuse me, but I am offended by all this elitist toilet talk. Do you really feel good about yourself now? This kind of attitude is what I’m afraid of seeing when I transfer.</p>
<p>Is your argument that some people who end up at ucla or ucb lack these basic skills and that this alarms you? Or do you believe transfer students lack these skills? I agree with the first one but the second would be very ignorant. I spent two years at a cc for financial reasons and the thought of being confronted with that type of prejudice is “alarming” to me. What do you mean by your post Nick?</p>
<p>I don’t know whether you start this thread targeting me but what I know for sure is that I fall under the category of the students that you are talking about.
I do agree that just being good in math and science does not make a person successful. He has to develop a certain level of reading and writing skills in order to stand as a competitive students. However, supposing yourself as a good writer/reader, have you ever judged these people from a different perspective and realized that most of these students are not native English speaker, who grew up reading, writing and learning in different language medium. Have you thought what your stand would be if you complete your high school in USA and move to Spain or China and start studying in completely different language setting. I bet that you would face more challenges than people like me have been facing. </p>
<p>Also, remember that these people might already be smarter in science and math than you, and are also gradually improving their English skills at the same time. Which means by the end of the decade they will achieve both skills whereas you could be stucked feeling proud about your English skills, without achieving anything.</p>
<p>I was in UC Berkeley for a summer and find out that some European professors, who are directly heired from there, can’t even speak proper English (Sorry, If I exaggerate the case) but still they are the most prestigious scientists over there. Even Einstein used to have a heavy accent. </p>
<p>Sorry I don’t mean to be rude but think before you make fun of anybody. You should be amazed by the fact that their English is understandable and is not that bad, although they just began learning it.</p>
<p>Also, they are transferring to Berkeley/UCLA with non-social science, non-English major, which means English isn’t their priority (again I am not saying that they don’t need good English skills).</p>
<p>Nonetheless, I feel bad that my English isn’t that good. However, we will not be disappointed by the comments of people like you because we have been constantly trying to improve it.</p>