<p>hello i am an international student from South Korea</p>
<p>I have been here (US) for 4 years only, and unfortunately, my English sucks!! </p>
<p>and I took SAT last year (I am a senior), and got </p>
<pre><code>560 on Verbal and 650 on Writing. and during my summer vacation, I took TOEFL and got 277 out of 300
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<p>would this TOEFL score help?</p>
<p>wow.,.. I'm just commenting...
we are in same kind of situation
I'm Korean and been in US for 4 years...
btw, TOEFL is REQUIRED for international students</p>
<p>yeah isn't verbal section tough??
i keep practicing it, but i merely pass 600 in my practice tests
so i can assume that i will get 30 points less on the actual one</p>
<p>what schools r u applying to?</p>
<p>many internationals still get high scores on verbal so u can't excuse urself. Just take TOEFL it will only help at the least not affect ur app.</p>
<p>well, I don't think TOEFLE is mandatory for international students in every school. Actually, most schools state that if you have been studying in a school where English is the instructing language, then you can be excused from TOEFLE. Some schools have more tough requirements that you can only be excempted from TOEFLE if you have a verbal score higher than 600,(some even require 680). </p>
<p>Yes, being international is not a good excuse for not doing well on the verbal. I have been studying in English speaking enviornment for only 3 years, I have 700 on the critical reading section and still see much room to improve. There are countless people who have 800 on their verbals even though their first languages are not English.</p>
<p>I am just a science guy not language guy</p>
<p>I hate English, my favorite is physics.</p>
<p>TOEFL is more of a pre-requisite. If you get low scores, it will hurt, but if you can get high scores, great, but it won't help. I think SAT CR and writing sections counts a lot more, as TOEFL is not nearly as difficult as SAT (I've taken both, so I know).</p>
<p>Yeah... It's no excuse to score low because youre international...
If have improved my Verbal score from somewhere in 400's to a 660...
So it's possible to score higher trough hard work</p>
<p>And btw.. I am in an non-english spoken country... I even have to confess that I only had 2 decent english conversation till now.. At school I haven't learned more than how to say you can order a pizza or how you can ask someone how late is is...
So I actually should be the one complaining that intels are disavantaged in the sat-tests. but trough reading a lot of magazines, I was able to increase my sat-score a lot</p>
<p>I improved from a 550 to a 700. so it's not impossible. :)</p>
<p>yes. first time test was 300 and now? 770. Came to the US last year.</p>
<p>no TOFEL IS NOT REQUIRED</p>
<p>Most schools will exempt you if you:</p>
<p>score above a XXX on the SAT verbal or SAT writing
Score a 3+ on an english AP
earn a B or better in a college english level class.</p>