dorm v. apartment

<p>Well, after one year as a soph at FSU my d has decided it is time to move into an apartment.</p>

<p>She's spent a year in Dorman and liked the people, but has a difficult roommate this second semester (who doesn't speak, pretty much ever) and this has made the experience jarring to say the least. Her first roomie was a dream, but she moved on to wildwood. </p>

<p>D was just notified that Fall she'll be in Wildwood (yay), but she really would rather be on her own.</p>

<p>She's considering apartments and has visited University Heights over near the Tally mall. I'm just not sure she's ready to be off campus yet and thought I'd throw it out there for some advice.</p>

<p>We've lived in Tally for a few years when her dad was at FSU so we're familiar with the town, but we lived up in Killearn. I really don't know much about the UHeights area or really anything at all about the apartment choices around the school.</p>

<p>Thanks in advance and I'm looking forward to advice - good and bad :)</p>

<p>No magic bullets for this - you're got to (physically) look carefully at maintenance, security, expense, parking, laundry facilities, attention to details at the apartment like spraying for insects and plumbing problems, access to high-speed Internet, noisy streets, hurricane readiness, etc.</p>

<p>Frankly, in our experience the university dorms are better maintained and have better security than most all apartments. Individual weirdness is minimized as all answer to the university and the university police, who patrol the dorms. There are systems to resolve issues between roommates, for example. Dorms also have emergency power if a hurricane threatens.</p>

<p>Parking is less an issue if you live on campus, too.</p>

<p>That being said, there are some nice looking new apartments off Chapel Drive near Osceola Hall.</p>

<p>I've been using this Apartment Ratings website to get some idea from people who have lived in these places as to what's good and what isn't. University</a> Heights Tallahassee - Exchange of Florida State Apartment Ratings, Reviews, Map, Rents, and other Tallahassee apartments for rent from ApartmentRatings.com</p>

<p>University Heights sounds better than alot of the student housing complexes I've found, but still pretty bad. I'm looking at some apartments by South Group Apartments, specifically Spanish Oaks, that have gotten great ratings.</p>

<p>Some advice on apartments: </p>

<p>-Avoid "student" complexes if you can. I'm referring to the type of pre-packaged, furnished places which offer individual room leases. They frequently seem like an attractive deal because they are all-inclusive (though many will charge a premium on electricity) and feature amenities that college students tend to find attractive (pools, tanning beds, gyms etc). However, be advised that these are (in practice) much like dorms, minus the RA, on-campus convenience and the responsible university ownership/supervision. There's a reason why people tend to prefer the newer complexes: that's because they haven't been destroyed yet. The office staff is largely disinterested or incompetent (staffed mainly by students looking for free rent) and you can expect parties and rude neighbors. Finally, individual leases means that you're at the mercy of apartment management as far as roommates are concerned (don't buy the hype about "roommate matching" - they're no better than university housing in that regard, and frequently worse - I only got lucky because my friend and I were so fanatical about our matching forms that we were saved by the grace of a grad student complex employee who was looking for responsible roommates). The only way around that is to bring in a full set of co-signing roommates, but that partially defeats the purpose of having individual leases in the first place.</p>

<p>Read my review on Seminole Suites (a typical student complex) here: Opinion</a> of Seminole Suites on Jackson Bluff Road posted 6/18/2006: Gets worse with each passing day.
Other popular examples include Boardwalk, Osceola Ridge, The Exchange, Frog Pond (Frog Pond is probably the worst of all), Jefferson Commons, etc.</p>

<p>One other small (but seldom mentioned) downside: the shared ethernet/internet in those complexes basically sucks. There were times I had to go to the university library to use the various online databases (or even to access my BB account) simply because the complex internet was too slow or down altogether.</p>

<p>The typical undergraduate living transition looks like this:
Year 1 - dorm or student apartment
Year 2 - dorm or student apartment
Year 3 - student apartment or non-student apartment
Year 4 - non-student apartment or house</p>

<p>See the trend? Why not save your daughter the headache and skip right to point C? You'll all be happier for it.</p>

<p>-You might think that student-oriented housing will be cheaper because it caters to students (and because it's so subpar), but you'd be wrong. They actually charge a hefty premium for convenience, as you might expect. For example, I paid $475 per month to rent my share of a 4 BR/4 BA 1800 sq ft apartment in SS. All told, that means we were collectively paying a whopping $1900 per month (including utilities, but still!) for a mediocre living arrangement. The Exchange was similar but (unlike SS) did NOT include electricity. For the sake of contrast, you can usually can find a decent 3 bedroom house of a similar size or slightly smaller for $1000-1100 per month plus utilities (typically around 150-200 with cable internet).</p>

<p>-Neighborhood is key. Again, avoid student areas. Look where the young professionals are living (hint: Park, Magnolia, Meridian, Miccosukee, St. Augustine and Thomasville are good places to start).</p>

<p>-Signing a single lease with some friends is often the way to go. This way, the apartment complex or landlord can't split you up or move somebody into your place without your consent. The management at The Exchange gifted my friends and I with a lone random during the spring of my freshman year (I spent summer and fall in the dorms) who brought ten or eleven of his closest friends with him and turned out to be one of Tallahassee's biggest drug dealers (there was a police raid on the apt. a few weeks after I left for the summer). Of course, our eviction/transfer demands went entirely ignored.</p>

<p>EDIT: I didn't realize that University Heights is (what used to be) The Exchange (as mentioned above). You probably ought to stay away!</p>

<p>Hey - you live and you learn. But if you're willing to learn from my mistakes (and experiences), all the better! By my senior year, I was renting a 3BR townhouse with two of my closest friends (who I'd already lived with before, so we were compatible roommates) in a fantastic neighborhood near Blair Stone/Miccosukee and enjoyed every moment of it - all for just $330/mth (my share) plus utilities (usually no more than $40 after splitting!). If I had to suffer through two years of student apartment living to get there, so be it.</p>

<p>Wow akbhaat, that was really informative! Thanks for sharing. I think you expressed the situation with housing pretty clearly.</p>

<p>any one heard of west 10?</p>

<p>how is that?</p>

<p>Well, there's about two people here who like it. The vast majority seem convinced that trash in the hallways, paper thin walls, and vomit on the sidewalk isn't pleasant, LOL.</p>

<p>West</a> 10 Apartments Ratings, Reviews, Map, Rents, and other Tallahassee apartments for rent from ApartmentRatings.com</p>

<p>whoa! nvm west 10</p>

<p>anyways, any suggestions anyone? i def dont wanna live on campus and i wanna live as close as i can to school.</p>

<p>i dont party alot but i dont wanna be told something whenever i have any one over you know. i dont wanna be stuck in a place thats regulating on me constantly.</p>

<p>HELP!</p>

<p>Trash and vomit are par for the course at many student complexes. You can expect a pretty consistent range of reports - most will hate them, but you'll always get a few who "love" it (probably because they're the ones tearing the place apart). Like I said: new or old, you can expect the same sort of thing regardless of where you go. I'm not familiar with West 10 (must be fairly new), but I guarantee you I can describe it to a tee without ever having been there.</p>

<p>Good management is a good start, but the tenets are the most important part of the equation. Management can only do so much.</p>

<p>If you'd like to avoid the horrors of student complex living but don't want to worry about offending your neighbors, your best bet is a small house. There are usually several for rent in the student ghetto between Lipona and Stadium, though these can be in varying states of disrepair.</p>

<p>Check out Craig's List (craigslist.org) for housing rentals. Be sure to look up location on a google/mapquest map. I agree with the 'student ghetto' description of housing near the stadium. Some houses are well maintained, but some are not. Clearly 'party central' in most cases. Also, many of those houses are MUCH smaller than the student apartments, and the lots can be very small as well. The primary advantage to this area is walking/biking distance, plus Seminole Bus stop convenience. In fact, this is a handy tool to look at: Campus</a> Bus Map</p>

<p>If you consider a house on Craig's List, insist on photos of the neighborhood- up/down/around the street- as well as inside. You can get great aerial photos on zillow.com- hard to find the link but there is one that let's you look from n/s/e/w oblique angle vantage points, and scroll, which lets you look at house and street from different perspectives. Still not the same as being there, but a good way to narrow down the choices.</p>

<p>And before you sign, physically look at the place. Location is deceptive on maps- what seems close is really far, or what seems far is really closer than you think. Consider the traffic, too.</p>

<p>I found in my search that the best places (or ones with the most bedrooms) are taken by February. But I understand the busiest time of the year is actually July (hard to believe people would wait that long to pick place to live, but apparently folks play the odds on getting in and once their options are narrowed they finally decide where to go to school!). So more may be listed then.</p>

<p>If you have a car, I'd suggest living away from the student ghettos - especially away from the frat houses.</p>

<p>It's definitely a good place to look, but I have seen scams appear from time to time on Craig's List (usually where the "landlord" demands a deposit sent via a wire transfer and then promptly disappears - and do not under ANY circumstances send money to a foreign country), so be wary. They can be particularly tricky because the scammer will provide what appear to be legitimate details (address/location, pricing, photographs) at first - they're not as easy to spot at a glance as some of the really obvious Ebay type scams (e.g. absurdly low prices, stock photos/stolen photos). I would not sign a lease or send a deposit in on any place I wasn't able to tour in person first. And if the landlord is local, all the better.</p>

<p>Anyone know what the Villages are like? I just noticed they're right next to Spanish Oaks, the apartments I'm interested in.</p>

<p>I need the best student apt near campus…if there is one</p>

<p>My son moved into University Village on Call Street this last August. The whole apartment looks “worn” and was what we expected since it’s student housing. The living room/dining room is larger than we thought it would be. We didn’t measure, but the bedroom was about 10’ x 10’ with a 6’ closet. He moved the dresser into the closet to give him more room in the bedroom. The beds are full size. We noticed his box spring was broken and they replaced it within an hour of his call. He seems to like the complex and is happy with his decision to move off campus.</p>