Double thread - UC Confusing over IGETC requirements and UCSB

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<p>Sorry, I must’ve been looking at an old IGETC form when searching for the PHIL 115 course.</p>

<p>As to your other questions, they will look at your GPA (if you’re not applying via TAG) as it is when your Fall 2011 semester is over. You will initially submit grades for only up to Fall 2011, but in January or so, you will update your application with the grades from Fall. If you’re applying via TAG, then your grades up to and through Spring 2012 count towards the required GPA for TAG.</p>

<p>You just need to have 60 transferable units completed by the time you transfer (Fall 2012).</p>

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<p>up to fall 2011 or including fall 2011? </p>

<p>so they wont consider my classes for spring/summer 2012???</p>

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<p>If you’re applying regularly (without TAG or Transfer acceptance guaranteed) then they will only consider your grades for Fall 2011. Your grades for Spring/summer 2012 will not be included in the decision, but if you fail any courses or “do not maintain your gpa” then you can get your admission decision rescinded based on your Spring/Summer grades.</p>

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<p>Even if your GPA is not a 4.0, your UC transferable GPA technically is since those 2 classes don’t transfer. On your application, you will need to put ALL the classes you’ve taken though even though you know they won’t be transferable. They will all appear on your transcript though only UC transferable ones will be calculated for your application.</p>

<p>99% of the time, you will be automatically rejected without 60 units. I don’t really know where Lipper is coming from by saying that you can be accepted and take some of the units next Summer because the UCs specifically state that you need 60 units. The only way around it is if you are accepted as a Sophomore transfer (pretend I didn’t even say this because it basically never ever happens) or if you have maybe 57 units and failed your 3 unit class in the Spring after you were already accepted. Occasionally, the UCs will allow you to retake the class but that is also VERY unlikely.</p>

<p>Any kind of disability is something that you can address in your essays and on your application but it’s not going to help you have to take less units. Unfortunately, you can’t transfer without a UC transferable math class. Plenty of people are bad at math and have extenuating circumstances but if you want to do well at a UC, you need to learn how to get by.</p>

<p>If you are accepted, there are ways to defer provided you have solid reasoning, but that you would deal with after you were accepted.</p>

<p>From what I can see, PHIL 115 is transferable as a 1B class to the few UCs that I looked at so I don’t think you’ll have a problem with that. It’s up to you whether you want to take that or ENGL 202 for more credits. Also look into taking some sort of Phys Ed class because they usually transfer up to 1 unit or something. You’d have to ask your CC.</p>

<p>However, I don’t believe JOUR 101 is transferable. At least, not to UCs. Though at times there are oversights. In general, CC counselors pretty much suck.</p>

<p>I gave you a link for the American Institutions requirement. Most CA HS student already have completed this.</p>

<p>Sorry, yeah AP US Hist is in Area 4. They just divide them up into ten disciplines which is what I was referring to.</p>

<p>You can always wait until next year and take more classes. They will accept 70 units to transfer but you can take as many classes as you want.</p>

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<p>@killmyentourage</p>

<p>I’m confused. Are you saying they won’t accept my transfer request for Fall 2012 if I don’t have 60 units by the time I apply (this November?)</p>

<p>Is this what you’re saying? Because I’m reading everywhere else this isn’t the case. One just needs 60 units by time of enrollment - which I will definitely. I’ll have all my requirements done, including math, by next Fall. But not until the end of 2012 spring/summer.</p>

<p>Clarity please?</p>

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<p>I already answered this in my first post…</p>

<p>“Additionally, you would need 60 UC transferable units by the end of this Spring semester for ALL of the UCs (not negotiable)”</p>

<p>AKA Before next Summer session, not after.</p>

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<p>Okay entourage you’re confusing me.</p>

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<p>Is this not true? </p>

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<p>Let me rephrase. When I apply, do I need 60 units? Can I apply now for November? I’ll have 60+ units and all pre/reqs done by the end of spring 2012 or summer.</p>

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<p>… okay. I’m not trying to be mean but this is really not that difficult to understand.</p>

<p>You are applying in November for Fall '12 like everyone else does. You can not apply before that. You can not apply after that unless you’d like to apply NEXT November ('12) for Fall '13 instead. It doesn’t matter how many units you have when you apply, but you need to have 60 units completed by the end of this Spring semester. You can not use next Summer to finish your 60 units.</p>

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<p>Okay, so will they take into account the fact that I only have 20-30 credits by November? Do they just assume I’ll have 60 by spring or do I tell them? </p>

<p>Someone said some UC schools accept summer classes before Fall enrollment. </p>

<p>So for clarity, I don’t need any of the pre-req to apply - I just need it all done by the time of enrollment?</p>

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<p>Sorry if it was confusing earlier or if I made it confusing. The 60 units you need have to be completed by the end of Spring semester (2012), but you can continue to take major prereq courses in the Summer (2012) that count towards your major at UCSB. Some UCs (or majors at all UCs that are impacted) require that you complete all of the major prerequisites available prior to transferring. </p>

<p>As to your new questions, the amount of units that you have completed at the time of your application has almost no bearing on your admission. You must, however, complete 60 units of coursework by the end of Spring semester. When you update the UCs in January with your Fall 2011 grades, they will ask for your Spring semester courses (Planned or enrolled). This will determine whether or not you meet the 60-unit requirement.</p>

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<p>Wow this is great news. So not having a college-level math or 2nd critical thinking course will not undermine my application?</p>

<p>But when I apply - are they only going to look at the classes I have enrolled in up to Summer 2011? Fall 2011/Spring 2012 classes won’t count towards my GPA??</p>

<p>If someone has 40 units and applies are they not more likely to be accepted then myself?</p>

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<p>Um… What? </p>

<p>The math and critical thinking course are crucial. You’re not UC eligible without them. You will not get into a single UC without the math, the writing, and the critical thinking requirement + 60 transferable units. Particularly, you want to have the math done by the end of the fall term that you apply. If I were you, I’d take critical thinking and college math next semester (Fall 2011). You must submit an academic update with your fall grades by February 2012, or else your application may not be considered. They evaluate you on all grades up until Feb 2012, then if you are admitted for Fall 2012, additional conditions must be met by the end of Spring 2012. Their conditions vary from person to person, but it will be specified in your acceptance letter.</p>

<p>I cannot stress how important it is to have math and the 2 English courses done. Especially for UCSB - they are one of the sticklers. Irvine and Riverside, less so. Idk about Davis, because I never applied there. But SD/SB/SC/LA are huge on having those 3 requirements fulfilled by the end of the Fall term that you apply.</p>

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<p>I KNOW I need 60 transferable units to be eligible. I’m saying, when I APPLY - do I need these 60 units? Posters previously said. Do I need to have fulfilled the pre/reqs to apply? No, correct?</p>

<p>I’ll have almost all my required IGETC classes done by the end of Fall 2012, however I won’t be enrolled in a higher-level math (beyond 60) or lab until spring 2012.</p>

<p>So when I apply this November, I will be enrolled in all the classes necessary to complete IGETC - minus the math requirement. So what is the problem? When I apply and they see my application doesn’t show any enrollment for a transferable level math (EVEN THOUGH I’LL BE TAKING IT IN THE SPRING and all my classes will be completed easily before next Fall) will this matter?</p>

<p>I’m awfully confused here because I am getting mixed results. I posted my current Fall 2012 schedule on the second page!</p>

<p>UCSB is the only school I want to go to. If I get rejected I’ll just keep applying until I get in. I really have no interest in the other UCs.</p>

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<p>Lmao every single one of us have essentially said the same thing. Go back and read it all again.</p>

<p>/thread.</p>

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<p>Just as a heads up, if you were looking for the easiest way to complete the critical thinking requirement, you would have probably been better off with the English classes rather than Philosophy. You might get a lenient professor, but for the most part the readings and assigned papers are harder than in English (at least at this level). I’ve taken both types.</p>

<p>By the way, with some research you can find out everything you need to know so you’ll be set to transfer. I didn’t even know what prerequisites were when I started a couple of years ago.</p>

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<p>Dude, UCKid - you’re not listening to me. It’s okay to have 60 units done by Spring 2012. You don’t need to have 60 units done by Fall 2011. But you will want to have your math done by the end of Fall 2011. It reflects very poorly on your application to not have the math course completed by the Fall which you apply to transfer (for you, Fall 2011). Call UCSB and ask their admissions dept how important it is to have the math class complete by the Transfer Application Academic Update deadline (Feb 2012). When I asked, I was told that it was crucial, and that due to the large number of applicants, they give priority to those who have their critical thinking + math completed. If there is space left over, they admit those who are completing math/critical thinking/writing in the spring. However, due to the huge increase in number of transfer applicants over the past couple of years, it’s unlikely that you will be admitted without those classes done. When I applied with the intention of completing math in the spring, I was not admitted - though my GPA was high enough to TAG. The reason stated on my application was “not UC eligible”, although I had 50 units completed by Fall, and both the writing + critical thinking complete.</p>

<p>You can give it a shot, but take it from us, applying without your minimum UC eligibility classes completed is a long shot.</p>

<p>As you probably already know, IGETC and minimum eligibility are two different things. You don’t have to have IGETC done to transfer (i.e. your lab class, or whatever it is you keep mentioning). You do have to have the math and two English courses done.</p>

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<p>no a lot of you had said different things but thanks for the smugness. </p>

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<p>i just looked at the reviews of the english teachers for 202/203 and most were pretty bad. but PHIL 105 had great reviews and emphasized on the “easiness” factor." im so sick of english, especially 2.5+ hours of it every day. </p>

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<p>Frack. I know I won’t have a college level math by Fall 2011 because I am currently enrolled in a lower level math. I will have it done by spring 2012. It is simply impossible because one needs Math 60 to graduate on to the higher level maths.</p>

<p>but I will have finished my critical thinking requirements by end of 2011. My major has absolutely no math at all. And it is particularly competitive. Do they take disabilities seriously? I have an official “math disability” and spent many years going through traditional math since high school. Everything else I can cruise through with the exception of math.</p>

<p>What are the odds you think? I’ve seriously been killing myself over the past year trying to meet all the requirements.</p>

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<p>Hi. I just read this thread for the first time. I am an older student who has recently returned to community college and I plan to transfer to UC Davis in the Fall of 2012. First thing, yes, you do apply for a UC a full year before you plan to go there. So we get our applications going this August/September, finish them up in Oct/Nov. We find out if we get in next April (2012) and then (if accepted) you begin on Sept. 2012.</p>

<p>So that means you have an entire 2 semesters on community college to finish your IGETC. I have met with a counselor numerous times and they all say the same thing: finish all your IGETC requirements before going to the UC. You do not have to finish them before you apply, but you must finish them by the end of the spring semester before the fall you enter UC (spring 2012).</p>

<p>Oddly enough, I went to Palomar College many years ago and took many fantastic classes there. Unfortunately, I didn’t take enough English and Math so that’s why I am finishing up now. The assist website and your IGETC list from Palomar should be very clear. Yes, sometimes we have to take an English class we are not interested in (I am having to take 3!) and possible a science lab (one for me still to go!) but if you complete it this next school year and your IGETC is complete you truly increase your chances of being a successful transfer. So when registration opens up sign up for 4-5 classes including all the ones you think you need, even the ones you hate. Meet with a counselor as soon as you can. Drop the classes you don’t need or that you decide to take in the spring and just do your best at Palomar your fall and spring semester. Good Luck!</p>

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<p>thanks minds!</p>

<p>yes i am meeting with a counselor next week. I will have met most of my IGETC requirements done except lab and math but end of fall 2012. But I should have everything done by spring 2012.</p>

<p>the only real issue would actually be managing 60 credits. I’m going to talk with the admissions and see if they take math disabilities seriously. there are laws that protect students from what i understand.</p>

<p>and i meant <em>not</em> competitive major. </p>

<p>I hope there are appeal processes for transfers. i have a bad feeling this math thing will kill me here.</p>